no-one:

not a single soul:

noob: isis is Israeli secret intelligence agency

He's Palestinian and actively affected by these conflicts and on the worst side of them. Cut him some slack. You probably have strong opinions about Pakistan or Kashmir yourself (e.g., common Indian conspiracies about what ISI or "anti-nationals" are responsible for) because of personal stake.

He isn't on the worst side of them, he is as safe in Israel as any Jew or Christian. The people on the worst side are those living in Gaza under Hamas.

He has no right to call Israel an "apartheid", to claim that he is oppressed living in Israel, that Hamas is not a terrorist organization, that Israel is at fault for the conflict, or that ISIS is a secret Israeli intelligence agency. Because those are all quite frankly incorrect.

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Claiming land by right of conquest is legitimate.

In 1066, the usurper William the Conqueror took the throne of England by right of conquest from the House of Wessex. The descendants of William the Conqueror rule England to this day. However, nobody honestly thinks that the queen of England is illegitimate and the House of Wessex should be restored.

The same goes for the White army in the Russian civil war. The Reds may have illegally usurped the authority of the Tsar but that doesn't really matter because the Reds won.

Since 1066, our tiny human brains have somewhat evolved to the point that we assign legitimacy to the people of the nation and not the monarch. At this point, Israel has rights to almost all of Palestine by right of conquest. If the Palestinians want it back they are going to have to fight for it. Hamas understands this but nobody on this forum does.

I agree with Rouge. If the Palestinians want independence they’ll have to fight for it, and if the Israelites want to conquer Palestine they’ll have to fight too as it doesn’t look like a permanent solution for peace will exist

he is as safe in Israel as any Jew or Christian. The people on the worst side are those living in Gaza under Hamas.

Is he an Israeli Arab who self-IDs as Palestinian, or someone actually living in Palestine?

He has an Israeli ID, but is not granted citizenship.

Is it an Israeli ID or a Palestinian ID? I assumed he was living in a PNA-governed area under Israeli occupation, like Jericho.

yes lavrov, I know who he is. he's also in the chillzone. also I'm jk when I post here. Its just a sad situation. but yea israel is a cool country

Sorry for taking long to respond guyz but I am not used to those forums. I'll ignore messages that I already answered and gave sources for which are pretty obvious and if you read them and ignored them then you can go ahead and read them. If you read them and are deliberately repeating the same wrong points then there is no value in me having a conversation with you, I am saying backed info and you are just saying Bullshit.
1) @Orannis said:"Isn't that exactly noob's point? That the Jews should not have Israel because Palestinians lived there first? Or am I missing something?" No this isn't my point, my point is that. 1) we are the people indigenous to this land and being oppressed in it. We deserve to have rights of citizenship, rights of movement, rights of election, etc... And that's cause we are humans, unless you see us lower than that like Israelis do.
2) My issue isn't with Jews, Bernie Sander is a Jew, Naturi Karta are Jews, there are millions of Anti-Zionist Jews throughout the world and I love them. Our issue is with the Zionists who are oppressing us and them only. And our requests are to be treated like humans which for some reason people like you think is too much for us. We only want to have the same rights as the Zionist settlers from Germany or Morocco who are illegally living next door. Our requests are that simple and I really feel sad when people don't support those requests and when I have to explain why we should have rights of citizenship, voting and movement, we should access to clean eater and electricity, etc...

@Georg, you obviously don't know what Hamas is, what they do or what the whole issue is about and I can't repeat everything I already said. Please see the sources I sent and the messages I said.

@Rick Hahaha, very funny :p. Even funnier than the racist Anti-Indian jokes that I sent you last time :p.

@Orannis again "He isn't on the worst side of them, he is as safe in Israel as any Jew or Christian. The people on the worst side are those living in Gaza under Hamas.

He has no right to call Israel an "apartheid", to claim that he is oppressed living in Israel, that Hamas is not a terrorist organization, that Israel is at fault for the conflict, or that ISIS is a secret Israeli intelligence agency. Because those are all quite frankly incorrect."

I am definitely as safe as any Christian Palestinian, I am not more or less safe than any of my Christian friends or teachers. They also get arrested and are oppressed as much as we are. I sound like some idiot typing this, we never thought there is a "we" And "them" Between Palestinians, we don't even ask people about their religion. I am definitely not as safe or don't have enough rights as any Israeli though, and I already sent you sources and you can also look up more sources. Idk why you are insisting that Israel isn't an apartheid. I already sent you reports by human rights organizations including Israeli ones saying that Israel is an apartheid and how and why they were defined as an apartheid. I can tell you that I personally experience apartheid but idk if that's a valid argument cause I am not a reliable source, those human rights organizations are reliable sources though. And I repeat my past points, Hamas isn't a terrorist organization Israel is at fault and Israel is an apartheid and I already sent sources for all of that. If you won't respond to anything about all of what I said I need your response on only one thing, why are you insisting on your pov although I sent you sources? You weren't able to face any of my points or sources but you still insist on your position. IDF soldiers are regretting what they did and are doing and you still insist on that Israel is right.

@rogue and @Hi, we can surely demonstrate, we can fight for our rights as much as possible but we can't do it alone. That's why we keep trying to spreading the word. Apartheid in South Africa was dismantled when everyone in the world worked together to pressure the apartheid government to give the people their rights of citizenship, movement, voting, and that's exactly what we want. Unfortunately we can't do it alone but we will still try our best. Thanks for your interest :).

@Tomoton and @l4v I have "Israeli ID" and I live in Jerusalem.

@Rick "Israel is a cool country" Okay, whatever mate.

@everyone:
I again apologize for taking so long to respond.

Look, I have been to the muslim and christian quarters of Jerusalem and witnessed firsthand that you claiming to be oppressed is bullshit. You keep spouting the same nonsense apartheid shit even though Palestinians literally run in the Israeli elections and have the same rights as any other Israeli. Sending articles from biased sources isn't helping your cause. Do I have to repeat all the international laws and war crimes that Hamas is breached? There is a reason the majority of western countries classify them as a terrorist organization. It's because they are.

Jerusalem isn't part of the areas that really suffer from the apartheid, cause we carry the Israeli IDs. Yes we can't vote in the elections and yes we don't have passports but this is nothing compared to the people in the West Bank and Gaza. Just go read what happened in the apartheid in South Africa and what is happening in the West Bank. They are both suffering from the same stuff. Since you have been here, did the guide let you see the apartheid wall? I don't think so.
You can argue that Palestinians in lands of 48 aren't oppressed by the apartheid, but it isn't the same in the West Bank or Gaza.
Do I have to repeat all the international laws that Israel is breached?
Western countries supported Apartheid and Colonialism long enough that we know that their political stances aren't the most humane :)
"Biased sources" Yea I guess the Human Rights Watch and Israeli Betselem are biased . Israel has been begging the International Crimes court to stop the investigation in the West Bank. Why is that? I guess it is because Israel did no war crimes and has nothing to hide right? I hope the ICC report is finished soon so I can see what other lies and bullshit you can fabricate.

But if you want to know what happens in Jerusalem, ethnic cleansing is what is happening in Jerusalem. The ethnic cleansing of thousands of Palestinians that has been in practice since they controlled the lands. Starting from not giving build permits to Arabs in areas they want to ethnically cleanse and also kicking thousands of Palestinians from their homes to make Zionists live there. This all has happened since 1947 when they kicked half of the Palestinian population out of Palestine and killed thousands in massacres going all the way to what is happening now in Sheikh Jarrah and Silwan.

And this is my last message. I won't keep explaining why we deserve citizenships or freedom of movement or rights to own lands and houses or all the rights that we aren't having. I won't be explaining why we are humans. If you are that much in love with what Israel is doing then good for you but for me I can't keep convincing someone refusing to be convinced that I deserve to have human rights like my humans and that I won't be raided by Israeli soldiers or my house becomes for Zionists because Israel decides it is.

How is Palestinians being able to run in Israeli elections worth anything?

How is a black person living in the Batustans being able to run for the South African elections worth anything?

It's not

By the way, there is no evidence that humans committed a genocide on the neanderthals. There are a number of possible explanations for why they disappeared.

How is Palestinians being able to run in Israeli elections worth anything?

Because this would be forbidden under apartheid.

I've informed myself of Hamas. I believe terrorism is a part of its warfare, but I would like to point out that, when peace is probable, Hamas has stopped attacks and has arrested those who launch attacks. Specifically, the situation in 2008 is interesting. A ceasefire was created, and Hamas followed the rules, until Israel decided to invade West Bank for some reason. Hamas and Israel both include terrorism and segregation in their system of governing. Hamas is clearly capable of being peaceful, and so is Israel, but for some reason, neither can agree to stop fighting. It's like a super extreme version of sibling rivalry.