I could write a lot more than what is to follow.

Let's assume there are 6 wolves meaning we are at lynch or lose. I am however inclined to believe we have some breathing room, as in there are 5 wolves because of doms confidence (despite the villages terrible form) that there will be a tomorrow.

The Case for hhh and veigar
At the risk of sounding like a broken record villagers have to post as much as possible to force wolves to do likewise and hopefully slip up. If we Dont start lynching lurkers we let them stay quiet and lose our only weapon. Is there anyone who still doesn't get this? I'm not sure I have explained myself properly.

Also, hhh if you are village what enjoyment can you possibly get from this game playing the absolute bare minimum?

I guess it is possible (knowing hhh's meta) that he is playing like this as village so out of these two I would actually vote Veigar.

The case for Arun

God damn Arun if you had just stayed calm and not been so damn Wolfy I would be so sure you were village based purely on your interactions with gnuff. However, I think you are smart enough to take gnuffs advice, run it by your wolf pack and use it as your defence.

The sudden assurance about Apollo followed by the quite clearly staged and ongoing argument stinks of bussing. All the 'why would the wolves bus the lead wolf' stuff is such amature reverse psychology. (Side note, Apollo you are potentially influencing the game, please refrain from speaking from the grave).

Additionally I have experience with aruns bussing as I asked him to do it last game. This is exactly the same kind of over the top act which I had tried to tone down in him then.The complete change of tact is so reminiscent. I bet tge wolf pack are cringing at his lack of subtlety. The name calling etc.

The lack of concentration when accusing TI of being a wolf days after he was confirmed village.

And then last round, 'you must choose ghengis or his balls'. Obviously I have some pertinent information that others can't know on this matter so I won't follow that line but it was plain wrong anyway. Discussion hadn't happened and there was plenty of room for manouver in the voting.

Asking questions like 'why Dont you suspect his balls' is the sort of desperate thing I mean. There is no great suspicion on me because you haven't done a very good job of lying.

Also, I can't count the number of times you have called people an idiot. We are all fumbling a bit here. Prodding and poking to see what comes out. Every contribution is valuable.

Finally, did anyone else notice him saying ' I think I'm 99% innocent'. Lol.

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The case for lawlz
Since this is now a numbers game and we know lawlz doesnt vote with the village then regardless of his alignment he needs to go at the risk of him voting with the wolves. Saving him for the things he blurts out hasn't worked.

Lawlz. Fancy rejoining the village alliance?

Walls of text is what we need. I'm not gonna apologise.

The case for Kantos
Other than the little slip 'wolf too' I still have strong suspicion here.

The OTT town stuff. Maybe I need to take quotes from the thread fir clarification?

Your suspects list a couple of pages back is so weak. Only a wolf would put in so little effort. Its just ???. Need slightly more assurity please.

But mostly, quietly voting for village and counting toward the lynch every single round. The ghengis vote was the most obvious. Someone in the bandwagon was wolf and since the two before you were confirmed village your vote (without explanation) is pure wolf.

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The rest

Clearly among these guys it is possible or even likely that there are one or two wolves but let's keep you 4 with the confirmed village for now please. Any deviation and you out yourself. Can we agree on this?
Ace Windu - you ever so slightly contradicted yourself by making a useless vote in the same post as complaining about town falling apart. This has been noted. There is plenty of good village stuff out there though.
Clavicus Vile - village imo
Dr. Stupid - village imo
Kasparov - you have been noted as on the ghengis wagon too but I can't put everyone on my suspects list or our lynch mob would become too weak.

And clav and stupid. You are two of the most village here. Back off each other for a bit please. You are scum hunting well. Try looking elsewhere with fresh eyes.

General
Do we have another vigilante? I vaguely remember three shots fired during this game???. If we do, please shoot lawlz. I Dont think any more discussion is necessary here and we really could do with the breathing space.

Elders please use your powers to silence votes from an inevitable Wolfy bandwagon. Your powers can be of great use now.

Skunk, whatever additional information you have, please make sure you use it to guide us.

Vigilantes get bullets back when fired at wolf (so C17 still had a bulled when he died!)

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His Balls I am village. I'm sure you're a wolf. I'm not going to argue properly because I'm waiting for the elders atm.

For now my wrath is directed at Skunk. You're a bumbling fool! If you have special names, don't use that info here like His Balls said. Tell the other elders! The other elders play better and have their own ideas. Special identities are essential. Stop trying to increase your self importance here by saying only you have the special identities. This is a team game, particularly for the confirmed villagers. Share your info with them. Help us.

Arun, please stop capitalising his balls. Thanks.

Anyway it doesn't matter that much whether skunk discloses his intel provided there is no run from the wolves.

So you are waiting for the elders, why? They want your input. As much as possible.

Skunk, you just led the mislynch of genghis despite knowing the specials, and yet you still won't tell the other confirmed villagers who the specials are? That is pure stupid.

Guys, Reread what Apollo said. I'm 99% sure his balls is a wolf now. He wouldn't say he lasted longer than arun if arun was a wolf and still alive. And his balls multiple posts asking Apollo to stop posting make me sure he knew we would come to these conclusions. And if arun is indeed a villager, as it appears, his balls must be a wolf. Arun's arguments on his balls make a lot if sense. His balls has played villager in the past and played very well but this game has guessed wrong almost every time.

Edited 10/4/2014 13:36:59

If the specials don't want me to tell you then I wont tell you.

And along with JSAs a point it is definite that either Arun or His balls is a wolf. I believe his balls could be a wolf, he plays his game very well normally but in this game, not at all.

Uh oh. Right this is not the line I wanted to follow as I know how a defensive position only digs a greater hole. However seeing as there is no changing votes and how previous lynches have gone, I would like to get in early on this before there is any momentum. The most worrying thing is that two of my accussers are confirmed villagers.

So my defence. I'm doing it again the backward defence, I'll call it. Where the hell did you get the idea that I have ever played well at this? I am one of very few (possibly only?) Wolves ever to be lynched and if you think my play in the last game was similar I am fighting a losing battle.

I am slightly gutted to have put in so much effort and aruns argument (whatever it was) has convinced you. So i implore you to look for evidence other than how badly i have hunted. Skunk and jay try to look at my text and the ideas I have put forward. See how despite being wrong I have provided nothing but logic to help the village. Look for contradictions, situations where my story is inconsistent, anything before you lynch another villager.

At the very least, see that what I say regarding the quiet ones is true. Keep me for now, and cross this hurdle later. Surely we have better options than someone providing so much. I am resigned the fact that I will be lynched before the end because no one wants to lynch the like of hhh or Veigar but surely not yet.

Here is the most important thing to note though. As I have said Apollo and Arun are wolves. That was an attempt to influence the game from the grave. He said he lasted longer because he knows Arun is a wolf. This is a) cheating and b) a poor attempt at cheating.

So back to where I wanted to be. Ghengis, do the other villagers not want you to tell jay because they don't trust him. Otherwise I Dont understand why you wouldn't; an honour thing? This is just a game. Whatever is useful for the village can be done without any slight on your reputation.

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Jay, just give yourself a chance to think about this. Both Arun and Apollo are wolves and they wanted you to come to the conclusion you just have.

Honestly, I don't think his balls is a wolf. There are far more suspicious people out there besides him. Anyone notice how clavicus has suddenly stopped posting who he wants to have lynched? I think he is trying to become hidden while other people accuse others.

The fact you consider it more likely that a bussing plot has occurred is incredibly suspicious! Why so skeptical?

If the specials don't want me to tell you then I wont tell you.

Skunk you're fucking retarded. Who gives a shit what the specials said?! The trusted villagers can be exactly that; trusted!! Give the names to the confirmed villagers immediately. They are both smarter than you. They are both better players than you. They can use the information better than you. By not giving the names to JSA TI, you make it apparent that a) you're mentally subnormal, b) you are listening to wolves who don't want their claims scrutinised or c) you are attempting to sabotage the village. Stop this nonsense.

Arun please lay of the slander for five minutes. I'm not a sensitive soul but if you are doing it for effect it is working to your disadvantage.


Did people read my stuff about Arun? Do you need me to find more?

Only a wolf would concentrate so little that days after confirming TI to be village still acuses him of being a wolf. I mean wolves know they are wolves so they have to fake putting in effort and thus make those mistakes.

Once again Arun I'm afraid you are just not thinking straight. Since I know I'm a villager I can only assume that there is a plot to lynch me.

Arun: 'The fact you consider it more likely that a bussing plot has occurred is incredibly suspicious! Why so skeptical?'

Yeah I have to be skeptical. That is the game. If you aren't you are getting it wrong. More effort please Arun. Find something. Something convincing.

Can everyone see that apollo's influence was meant to lead to me getting lynched? This is not a rhetorical question.

Okay this has got fun and I am properly stuck in now. This is the last one until some response.

Since Apollo is a confirmed wolf, you must assume his posts (even from the grave) are an attempt to mislead you.

Honestly, I could smell that the Arun-Apollo thing seemed like a farce from day 1. It's odd that it has kept going.

Sadly however I can see where this is going already though.

Lawlz might not vote with the village but he doesn't vote with the wolves either.

His balls, maybe they are playing it off. But I don't think so. You really have played much poorer this game than I had expected. You were very good as a villager in game 1 but not this game. Arun and Apollo hate each other. Yes, they coudl be trying to deceive me. But I don't think so.

Something that makes me think his balls is a wolf even more is Lord Veiger's defense of him. Veiger is very scummy this game, and that he just comes on to defend his balls is very suspicious. The wolves are obviously directed by someone very good, and I think that is most likely His balls or Clavicus. Clavicus is very villagey this game, so I have to assume his balls is a wolf from that as well.

And yeah, Arun, calm it down a bit. We have already said skunk is playing stupid by not giving his info to me and Tactical Incursions.

But as it is, Arun looks more villagey to me, while his balls looks more like a wolf.

However, I also am not 100% sure his balls is a wolf. For this reason, I'd rather kill Lord Veiger first. Veiger is very scummy and his defense of his balls makes him even more so. We can kill his balls next round assuming Veiger is a wolf. Also, if both Veiger and his balls are villagers, I'd rather lose Veiger since he contributes nothing to the game.

So in conclusion: I think his balls and Lord Veiger are wolves. But lynching Lord Veiger is less risky and provides close to as much information. So I am leaning towards lynching Lord Veiger.

@ Clavicus, Arun and Apollo often disagree and get in fights on the forums and various places. That is why I think it is unlikely to be a farce.

Edited 10/4/2014 15:59:19

Also, his balls and Arun, please compile evidence against the other. As much as you can.