That said, I'm not advocating an arun lymph at the moment. I would prefer a Kasparov or kantos vote.

Was there just one wolf card or can drunks still become wolves?

I'm fine with lynching lord veigar. As would be his balls (he can't back out of that now even if he is a wolf).

I didn't know Arun and Apollo Always fight so I guess it makes more sense now.

Well crap. I dont think i have time to go hunting for more info right now but let me say this, over the course of the last few days I have given you walls of text regarding my suspicion.

The lack of concentration. Mistaking TI for a wolf.

The sudden complete change of character making a very obvious effort at bussing.

The assurity on apollos alliegence.

The fact that everything Apollo says is an attempt to deceive.

How about, we agree to lynch someone different to either me or aeun for now, giving me and others more time to find further info. Can we all agree on lawlz?

I'd be fine with a Veigar vote as indicative of His Balls' guilt, bearing in mind that Veigar may just be a poor player.

I apologise for my 'slander'. I'm frustrated when people exhibit total stupidity at crucial moments.

Only a wolf would concentrate so little that days after confirming TI to be village still acuses him of being a wolf. I mean wolves know they are wolves so they have to fake putting in effort and thus make those mistakes.

His Balls, you make NO sense here. This is what happened: I conferred with a villager. This villager and myself agreed to vote Apollo (if you require screenshots, I'll include that with my evidence later). Because it was Gnuff's notion that Apollo was wolf and I only heard about it when we conferred, it is impossible that the Apollo lynch was a pre planned strategy. Therefore, it is very unlikely I am a wolf. If I was, my play that day would have been completely illogical. As to the arguement beyond the grave, that's just me hitting out at Apollo, who obstructed my attempt to shut out mindless chatter and expose poor play; helping wolves beyond the grave in other word. Glad he's silenced (JSA, I don't hate him though..).

Also, a wolf will ALWAYS put in more effort on average than a villager. That's because they have more to do! It's also because they need to be more careful. Additionally, they have a team to confer with. To repeat - you are making zero sense! Suspicious for you because you are a much better player than that! Impossible for you to camouflage that now. I've played with you twice now.

JSA is totally right and is pretty much mirroring my logic. Allow me some time before I compile my evidence. I'll post later today.

Edited 10/4/2014 16:17:02

I would much rather go with Kantos or lawlz as our compromise for now. How about that? Both of them have slipped up and all but admitted guilt.

Arun I am trying to respond to everything thrown my way. Care to do the same?

I'd be fine with a Veigar vote as indicative of His Balls' guilt, bearing in mind that Veigar may just be a poor player.

What would Veigar be revealed as to be 'indicative' of my guilt? Sorry I don't understand.

His Balls, you make NO sense here. This is what happened: I conferred with a villager. This villager and myself agreed to vote Apollo (if you require screenshots, I'll include that with my evidence later). Because it was Gnuff's notion that Apollo was wolf and I only heard about it when we conferred, it is impossible that the Apollo lynch was a pre planned strategy. Therefore, it is very unlikely I am a wolf. If I was, my play that day would have been completely illogical. As to the arguement beyond the grave, that's just me hitting out at Apollo, who obstructed my attempt to shut out mindless chatter and expose poor play; helping wolves beyond the grave in other word. Glad he's silenced (JSA, I don't hate him though..).

Also, a wolf will ALWAYS put in more effort on average than a villager. That's because they have more to do! It's also because they need to be more careful. Additionally, they have a team to confer with. To repeat - you are making zero sense! Suspicious for you because you are a much better player than that! Impossible for you to camouflage that now. I've played with you twice now.

Firstly i disagree entirely that there is more to do for wolves. Let's imagine that we all just posted our votes. There would be no information and the advantage would be firmly with the wolves. The wolves Dont actually need to do anything.

Also though, obviously what I said does make sense. The problem is you are confusing two arguments. Read back, I have acknowledged that your interactions were not pre planned and that you have just taken the info gnuff gave you and run with it.

The lack of concentration point was based on your accusation that TI is a wolf when he had, on multiple occasions been proven otherwise.

Yes wolves should be careful, but they slip sometimes. They already have full information, so scouring every post for information is a waste of time for them.

Apollo shouldn't shout random accusations from the grave, for whatever reason. Just leads to wrong conclusions and helping his fraction

I've given a tonne more than Arun as it is and am off out now. But i will try tomorrow if you still have me as a serious contrnder for the lynch. Not sure ill find any new lines of argument but I'll list the quotes for you.

We'd have more info and more time if we postpone this duel though. Are we seriously the top of the list? It seems as though this argument is just distracting from all our previous suspects. Obviously exactly what the wolves want.

I mean its nuts that the inactives just glide through like this. See what you can get from them.

What would Veigar be revealed as to be 'indicative' of my guilt? Sorry I don't understand.

Veigar is trying to protect you with a preposterous arguement. If he is a wolf, you most likely are.

Firstly i disagree entirely that there is more to do for wolves. Let's imagine that we all just posted our votes.

No; let's look at the game in all its complexity in order to actually get the true picture. Villagers discuss here, occasionally discuss privately (but for me at least, this is very much informal chat and not something I make time for), and vote. Wolves must discuss here occasionally at least (assuming lurkers are targeted), discuss privately every turn very often, vote, and discuss/submit night kills.

Villagers do do less. That is why my attention is less this game. That is why I missed obvious things. A wolf takes care, you said it yourself! They wouldn't make a shocking mistake; particularly to do with village specials...

They already have full information, so scouring every post for information is a waste of time for them.

Remember that I have played with you before. Wolves do read every post. They don't scour for clues of course, but they read and digest every post. They simply cannot miss a village special being exposed.

God damn Arun if you had just stayed calm...

Yes if I'd stayed calm I'd have been pretty safe from lynching and wolf attack. However, since breaking my silence we have got rid of the Juggawolf and we look close to getting rid of another two wolves. You seem regretful that I became more active and successful for the village.

The sudden assurance about Apollo

You said yourself it was based on a confirmed villager's logic, not mine. Your arguement is invalid. You have shot yourself in the foot and made yourself look more desperate in the process. Also, you again appear regretful I killed the Juggawolf.

This is exactly the same kind of over the top act

I think that's my character to be honest. Not something to be proud of, and not something I can really change permanently.

The lack of concentration when accusing TI of being a wolf days after he was confirmed village.

What's that smell... desperation?

I have some pertinent information that others can't know on this matter

I don't understand this. Information? Why haven't you contacted the elders?

Every contribution is valuable.

I play a game; I want to win. Stupid actions will feel my wrath when they threaten the village; particularly at crucial times such as this. SKUNK TELL JSA AND TI THE SPECIALS YOU IDIOT.

saying ' I think I'm 99% innocent'

Rushed post is rushed. You know as well as anyone else what I meant. Such a minor typo being picked up stinks of something... Some fancy 'Désespoir parfum'? I wouldn't recommend it - you stink.

Where the hell did you get the idea that I have ever played well at this?

I played twice with you. You are a skilled Wolves player. You think everything through. You are conscious of every word. You are quick to correct every other wolf. I can imagine you telling Veigar what a stupid idiot he is right now.

I have provided nothing but logic to help the village.

We're yet to lynch a wolf, right? Some help.

Keep me for now, and cross this hurdle later.

Change your perfume.

He said he lasted longer because he knows Arun is a wolf.

To remain in the spirit of the game, we should surely not take dead posts as evidence? I don't say this to defend myself, I say this because there are many possibilities as to why these posts are made. What if Apollo wants me dead so tries to frame me. You cannot use this as proof of any kind.

Only a wolf would concentrate so little

Cock and bull from you again! I'm choking on your scent! I have played with you - the care taken being a wolf is immense. As a villager, I have nothing to fear (supposedly) so I have no reason to be so careful.

Can everyone see that apollo's influence was meant to lead to me getting lynched?

The smell is offensive. You admitted the Apollo killing was due to Gnuffone's logic. Gnuffone is a villager. Please try a more convincing argument. You are disappointing me so far.

Okay this has got fun and I am properly stuck in now.

Got to agree. Enjoying this game much more than the last!

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You summarised, so I will too.

The lack of concentration. Mistaking TI for a wolf.

No. I have established why my concentration is low. The mistake is reasonable for a villager, though not for a wolf.

The sudden complete change of character making a very obvious effort at bussing.

You said yourself the Gnuff conversation could not have been catalysed by wolves. Therefore the change of character has already been explained!

The assurity on apollos alliegence.

I maintained throughout that day that I was not 100% sure, though I was very sure. This was based on Gnuff's logic. Gnuffone (confirmed villager) confirmed this!

The fact that everything Apollo says is an attempt to deceive.

Notion* It may be more to do with me and Apollo trying to put one over each other. Neither of us likes to back down and let the other have the last word. I can't speak for him though. This arguement is impossible to prove or disprove during the game unless Apollo breaks the rules. Pure conjecture from you.

Now see things my way. Every one of your arguments is weak. This is so unlike the very strong player I know you to be. In my opinion, you are playing quite desperately.

Can we all agree on lawlz?

Knowing that if Veigar is lynched as a wolf you will all but exposed, you desperately try to save yourself. No. We should vote Veigar. I will not make this official until it's clear JSA has no other suggestions.

*Acknowledges post war*

So all I say is that more people look like a wolf than his balls and this is what happens? Im not that bad at this game. I won the first game and almost won the second, and I haven't acted that much differently. Arun, I think that you are commiting too much solely on His Balls and me. I think you should consider other people besides us before voting. Your foolhardy approach is exactly what the wolves want right now.

Veigar if you are wolf you want as many suspects as possible to confuse us.

Only feasible people to vote at this stage are you, Lawlz or His Balls. I agree with JSA that we should vote you. If you are a wolf, we have a another nearly certain one. If you are a civilian, our suspects are Lawlz and His Balls (in that order). Your play is good?! What exactly have you done?

All that im saying, is that you are making a terrible mistake. Kill His Balls and I if you want, but the only thing it will cause is make the wolves closer to victory.

Edited 10/4/2014 21:58:10

Just to keep everyone up to date on my thinking: Arun vs. his balls

I don't see where suspicion of his balls comes from. Well, I do know where it came from. It came from Arun (who I consider to be a wolf). However, the suspicion is now coming from 2 of the 3 confirmed villagers. That is something I have to take into consideration because one of them knows the identities of the specials. So here's my question to you, skunk: Is your suspicion of his balls based on the public forum or does that come from information that a "special" gave to you? That is the only thing you could tell me that would lead me to support a his balls lynch.

Next item:

I'm lolling at the his balls is a wolf, let's lynch viegar thing. If his balls IS a wolf, (which I don't buy yet), then he is a dangerous one and should be lynched immediately. Mind you, I'm not against a Viegar lynch. He is on my suspect list. I would definitely support a village vote against Viegar. But the logic tying them together seems a bit thin. Seriously though, if you think that his balls is a wolf (I still don't think he is), we need to lynch him right away. I mean...how many turns do we actually have left here?

Third item: Kantos vs. Lawlz
In my book, they're both wolves. If we want an easy wolf kill to get our swagger back, this would be the way to go. I prefer Kantos here because he actually seems to cast meaningful votes. Lawlz is just all over the place and votes in no direction at all. All we know is that he seems to have it out for myself and Arun and he defends Clavicus. I won't even use that as an argument against Clavicus because interpreting Lawlz behavior is frankly beyond me at this point. One thing is for sure though and that is he's not helping the village or the wolves any so I see him as a lower priority than Kantos.

In summary, I would support a village vote lynching any of these:
Arun - pretty sure he is a wolf
Kantos - certain he is a wolf
Lawlz - certain he is a wolf
Viegar - not certain, but kind of wolfy

These are my two suspects that no one else seems to want to talk about:
Clavicus
Kasparov

his balls - I WILL NOT support a village vote against his balls UNLESS either more damning evidence comes out OR skunk assures me that his suspicions are based on information from a special.

I don't like your tone, veigar.

Vote: Veigar

Jay, that's not a lot of credit you are giving to Arun and Apollo. Its not exactly the most dastardly scheme. However if you really dont give them credit for pulling off such a deceit and tricking you then remember they aren't the only wolves so it wasn't necessarily their idea anyway. Arun I notice you trying to brush the whole thing under the carpet now it has been caught out by the way.

Okay that's a lot of writing arun. Good. I will ask jay and skunk to pick out any points they find convincing and if need be, offer my retort to them. Obviously I dont need to and probably can't (since I believe you are a wolf) convince you so I won't waste my breath.

The pertinent information that I have is that I know that I am not a wolf. This obviously makes the conclusions i draw a lot easier for me. I know I cannot convince other villagers 100% so I decided to avoid using a'because I'm a villager you must be a wolf' roundabout kind of atgument. I decided to try to argue the case without that info, I.e. from the rest of the villages perspective. Apologies for the lack of clarity.

So you are writing like that for effect? thought so. You are trying to convince us that you are so angry about the game that you can't help but speak like that. It doesn't wash with me at all though since this is written and not said. If somehow you really are a villager and that angry at others incompetencies then please just fucking chill out you idiot.

The number of locations where the different factions chat has got nothing to do with how much they need to concentrate. I guess we will just have to disagree on who needs to try harder. I have put my best case forward there.

Saying I think I'm 99% innocent can never be considered a typo. What were you trying to say, 100%? There is no way someone who knows they are village would even put a % on how village they are anyway.

Err yeah the Apollo lynch was apparently down to gnuff. I was talking about everything said between you and apollo after gnuff was gone. You adapted to the situation.
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I have literally drawn a line under this for now though as it is absolutely obvious to me that lawlz must go this round. He is by far the most anti village. What more evidence do we need? We should assume we are at lynch or lose so therefore if we need a lynch now to get us to the night phase after which we will have more information from the night kill.

Once again, the plan to keep him around as he might provide info is not working. He says nothing of use.

Stupid, clav is not on my list really. The accusations seem fairly baseless and have jsut snowballed without actual foundation.

Kasparov is on the list. Just one for another day.

Hi hhh, are you enjoying the game? Fancy putting forward a theory like a good villager?

@ Veigar: I have no information on his balls' role.

I'm fine to delay His balls/me.

We must lynch Lawlz, Veigar or Kantos this round. I would prefer Veigar or Kantos. Out of them I'd prefer Veigar. Elders please talk!!

As for the 99% thing; I was conveying how others see me. The fact that is a massive part of your case against me exposes your desperation here.

Skunk; give ALL your information to JSA and Ti.

I would prefer lawlz. Why not lawlz Arun?