Okay let's talk. Normally i like to stay quiet to evade the wolves attention. But I guess I'm very safe tonight.I was asking why skunk wouldn't tell jay his information about the angel.

Barely a discussion but this is what the 'discussion' with skunk refers to.

I dont want to muddy the waters further in the main thread but I'll say this before I am potentially lynched.

If I do die. Consider the possibility that jay is not 100℅ conformed as village. I would prefer to trust him because he is in the village lynch mob but his backing of Arun here flies in the face of so much information I'm providing.

Yeah so I thought I'd give this thought to you now just in case I am gone today. I will not post after I'm dead like some.

skunk940 WarLight Member
Level 47
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I'm gonna have to get busy aren't I?. I want some discussion with hhh, lawlz and Kantos. Especially hhh. Turning up and just voting is so anti village its unbelievable he has gotten the is far. Post your theories with explanation hhh?

I have been saying it all game. I have said it in previous games. This is something we need to learn not just for this game but for the meta of every future game. We cannot let a wolf get to the end by doing nothing. We must lynch all lurkers going forward to force them into posting and then revealing themselves. Thatnis the only advantage village have.

Lawlz and Kantos have both accidently admitted to being a wolf. Lawlz posts with no explanation - pure wolf. Kantos occasionally puts together some flimsy explanation but nothing substantial.

Us villagers end up accusing each other because by posting we only draw attention to one another. I mean I was convinced Arun was in on it with Apollo but his shear effort has lead me to believe he is village.

Arun and jay. Let me suggest you dont vote early, allowing a potentially game ending bandwagon to form behind you. There will be wolves voting for me. Let's see them try to push you into it.

My main problem for this defence is being defensive doesn't work. Obviously. I want to accuse others and get titbuts of information to create a better case. Problem is, none of the people I suspect look like biting.

I have a chisel for my epitaph now.
LYNCH ALL LURKERS

Oh yeah and the worst thing is that now I have put in so much effort as a villager, I am going to have to pretend to do so next time I'm a wolf.

Lawlz and Kantos have both accidently admitted to being a wolf. Lawlz posts with no explanation -

Bullshit, check again.

Alright, so here's the thing. While posting my results I was distracted by a couple things (Skype, turns, youtube). So, my mind wasn't a 100% with that post. I misworded that for sure, and I admit to sounding wolfy. If you think a lynch is in order from one very stupid post on my part, than I accept my fate. I will wait for further comment before my final gg at the gallows.

Defense: I am a wolf because you believe me to be so. There is no evidence to back up this phrase, besides one fatal slip of the tongue. I have done nothing prior to this moment other than lurk and read other villagers'/wolves' theories and speculations and determine which one sounded the best. Has it occured that some players are not well suited for the task of leadership? Certain people are natural born introverts. We don't need a group full of Alphas, we need the betas too, the sheep for the leaders to guide. This was my role, the humble sheep. I don my costume and attempt to help the village the best way I can, voting. I apologize if I don't speak up more often, for I have seen the risks involved for doing so, and I must say I much prefer to keep snide comments to myself, lest I be barraged with votes and the sheep follow, leading to yet another villager vote caused by a petty feud or argument. So far we have lynched one, ONE WOLF! And he was a town drunk, not even one of the original, so can we please stop bickering among each other and work together to find a wolf? A real one! Not simply a wolfish person, whom you may make out to be more than he is, but someone who lurks in the shadows and makes all the biggest decision! And that is why you should allow me to live.

Or did you just skim over that...?
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Edited 10/6/2014 22:48:09

No lawlz, actually you said you wouldn't lycnh wolves or something. Its been edited since but I think stupid or clavicus or someone saw the original post.

Arun and I have a fundamental disagreement on the amount of effort required by a particular faction. A wolf could feasably do nothing and only vote on bandwagons or hide their vote somewhwere it wont be noticed but keep a villager on the chopping block. They would only need to pipe up if their neck looked to be on the line.

A villager must actively scum hunt all the time. They have no information. They need to aquire it.

I will not be told that because wolves have to choose someone to kill at night they have more to do.

Watch the wolves rear up when under real threat. Watch the villagers post all the time. A true villager is not concerned solely about self preservation. Eg. Lawlz.

If we all play like hhh and allow it, the game becomes a farce.

Do people understand me? Have I been clear enough? This is not a rhetorical question.

Edited 10/7/2014 05:38:28

@lawls. No I remembered that. I just didn't believe it. I mean that means nothing to me at all.

Then dont say

Lawlz posts with no explanation -

Dom. Can you clarify that when you said 'ska was a villager who became a wolf' you meant Dom was a vanilla villager or that he might have been a special villager (I.e. the idiot). Thanks.

This is the point of contention that has gotten me in hot water.

Incase I am killed tonight:

Kasparov
Hhh
Kantos

Ace widu as the most likely mastermind.

I am prone to believe his balls. He has been wrong but he has had logic and seems village to me. So yes arun. Wee most definitely need a case

You know what; adding you to my list.

You consistently try to push a vote into who you choose. Remember the genghis or his balls ultimatum.

You really don't like that he saw through your Apollo v arun stint and want him out?


I'd like you all to look at my last comment relating to Ace widu. My assertion seems correct. Any reason you keep going against the village mob whilst trying overly to appear like you're part of it?

I urge my fellow villagers to not hurt his balls and lawlz. Also I trust jsa

yikes...this is a lot of information to process...

So, interestingly, my top suspect (clavicus) has now put out a list accusing my #5 suspect (kasparov) and my #2 suspect (kantos) as well as two others. Then he adds my #4 suspect (Arun) to his suspect list as an aside. Then he defends my #3 suspect (Lawlz). I don't entirely know how to take this. Add that to Arun's list seeming to become more and more mirrored to my own. I don't know if I should be flattered by this or worried that I'm getting played.

On the topic of JSA, I really would like to hear how we decided he was a confirmed villager in the first place. I will admit laziness on my part that when everyone started saying he was confirmed, I didn't research it myself and assumed it to be true(I'll look back again tonight), but now there is doubt about that? If there is seriously doubts about that, then JSA and his balls rocket to the top of my list, but I guess here's my two questions about that:

1. Why did we assume he was "confirmed"?
2. What leads us to doubt his status as "confirmed"?

Hopefully, I'll have some interesting data to contribute later tonight also. I've been meaning to look back through the chats to follow a certain thread backwards...hopefully it will yield something of value.

As a reminder, this is my previous suspect list. It only needs one update at the moment. The dead wolf needs to be removed. (yay!) I haven't really put much thought into whether I want to up-vote or down-vote anyone on the list after last turn though, so order is less important to me at the moment.
1. Clavicus
2. Kantos
3. Lawlz
4. Arun
5. Kasparov
6. Veigar - wolf

I am a confirmed villager because I am the idiot. I admitted I was the idiot on this thread after the second seer died. No one has counterclaimed me. Therefore, I must be the idiot.

3 reasons people have been unsure of my cleared villager status:
1) I am in favor of killing them (his balls)
2) Ska was the idiot, and if I was a wolf, I could possibly know that Ska was the idiot, and could claim it. This theory is proven false by the fact that Dom said that Ska was a villager that turned into a wolf.
3) The idiot role could potentially be hidden still. Reason that doesn't make sense: Logically, there was around a 70% chance that the idiot role was already out after the 2 seers died. If I was a wolf, it'd be extremely risky and unworth the risk to claim idiot. If someone counterclaims, I would die within the next two lynches almost certainly. Relying on the 30% chance that the idiot was a hidden role is not worth it from my perspective, and now there is an even greater chance that the idiot role had been given to someone more recently. So logically, there is an 80% chance the idiot is out, and I am the only one to claim it. Therefore, logic implies that I am the idiot and not a wolf.

Need more proof? I just led the lynching of a wolf. If I was a wolf, I would have led the lynching of a villager.

So is his balls the only one who is accusing you (JSA) of not being village or are there others? (I looked back 4 pages and didn't see anyone else...)

Just quickly. I am not accusing jay of being a wolf. I was chatting to Arun and discussing why skunk might be holding back his information. I mooted the possibility that it might be because he doesnt beleive jay is confirmed a wolf. That is as far as it went. Discussion.

Arun immediately went to jay to tell him and between them, they have decided that I am a wolf now. Final confirmation that hes 100% village hangs on on the answer to my question to Dom above. Even then I will still believe he's village due to a post before ska's role change talking of being a seer or something. It is out there on my first list.

For the record I do not think jay is a wolf and I do not think Arun is a wolf. I asked Arun not to bring this idea to jay because I knew this would happen, obscuring any actual scum hunting and giving the wolves a very easy bandwagon. I'm glad to see many are already avoiding jumping on.

@lawlz: as I have said you are happy to put in the effort and give an explanation when the gallows are in front of you. Where is that kind of explanation about your voting? The only post i can remember you writing more than a line or two was defensive, and it used a real life excuse which I can't possibly believe. You are back again now being defensive.

My list
Lawlz
Hhh
Kantos

There is another wolf maybe but we Dont need to catch that one yet as they will be forced to vote with the village and offer up info with fairly regular posts.

Edited 10/7/2014 05:47:56

Kantos is wolf.
Ace Windu is wolf.
HHH is wolf.

Lawlz not sure.

Edited 10/7/2014 05:47:05

VOTE PULSEY

You can only lynch mere mortals.

Edited 10/7/2014 05:49:00

you are happy to put in the effort and give an explanation when the gallows are in front of you. Where is that kind of explanation about your voting?

Has it occured that some players are not well suited for the task of leadership? Certain people are natural born introverts. We don't need a group full of Alphas, we need the betas too, the sheep for the leaders to guide. This was my role, the humble sheep.

Theres your answer

Yet you have not been a humble sheep at all.

Anyway, no I disagree again, we need everyone to contribute (see above). The humble sheep is an ideal place for a wolf to hide.

Edited 10/7/2014 06:10:05

Being a sheep is a metaphor for follower. I have basically been a follower, except a couple times (I.E you for calling me a troll, Arun for his attitude).

In fact, part of my silence this game is to avoid unnecessary conflict and my ultimate lynch due to losing the popularity contest. Specifically I mean keeping my head down to avoid Arun, who is now a confirmed villager, who has in the past targete me for sounding "not village" despite my innocence. But then again, part of my silence is just....following and listening. Most of what you guys say makes sense so I don't think too much on it.