Bickering about whether women are superior or inferior at certain sports challenges sexism how?

Note that Fridge was the one to accuse Szew of sexist tokenism, not any of you lovely ladies. I guess this just goes to show that men are better at fighting injustice.

It's about keeping awareness up, making people have to keep thinking about it, or at least see people discussing it.
Personally I consider it a lot like racism, in that people don't consider it this big deal anymore. Now that there is a black president it looks like racism is gone. But that isn't true, it is still a problem. And of course, perfect equality is never going to happen, however that doesn't mean you should stop fighting for it!
So X bringing up the topic challenges it.
Making people think about Sexism challenges it.
Making people realize there gaming life cant be a sexist bubble anymore challenges it.

Also Lol at the note, I almost fell for that, +1. :P

(I think I must have accidentally used the "aranka" cheat code ...)

But you did fall, as I nearly did, for Gaia's statement that the topic they were discussing was sexism - it wasn't.

Fridge acknowledged the sexism of Szew's original post. He made a point of the fact that Aranka is female. I'm not interested in niche sports or chess, but I am interested in music - the analogue is when female musicians are only compared to other female musicians. Aranka's issue with this, however, was that there were stronger female chess players to which she could be compared: sexism dutifully ignored. Not every girl is a riot grrrrl.

Then, sigh, the conversation turns to the tedious realm of the gender war. "Are women better or worse at men than this or that?"

Forgetting for a moment that, due to the lack of information, any line of reasoning here is spurious, let us say that it could be objectively stated that women are, I don't fucking know, 7% better than men at chess, on average. This wouldn't be a sexist statement, any more than it would be to say that men have broader shoulders than women. So the discussion is not about sexism.

You might argue that the impetus for the men to participate in this fruitless discussion was their misogyny. If you wanted to challenge this, you ought to have said "It matters not whether women are worse at ping-pong or what-have-you, please stop making generalisations and treat me like a human being, rather than a vagina that happens to have a person attached to it".

I hope now you understand why nobody here was challenging sexism. I don't begrudge you your mistakes, naturally you would need a man to explain these things to you.

Aranka likes to post apropos songs, so here is my new favourite band: https://soundcloud.com/capturedtracks/challenge?in=capturedtracks/sets/bona-dish-zaragoza-tapes-1981

Aranka - It's more like he wanted me to start memorising some openings as this was the easiest way to teach me play better. I was in the primary school, so my memory of that is faint anyway. And my gosh! I really thought he is not a fool at all but thanks on telling me that. I will definitely revise my opinion now - your female intuition cannot be wrong, can it?
You shouldn't judge people such a scrap of information. You're a big girl. you should know better than that. It's always better to say "if that is exactly what he said i find that statement not entirely true" than telling somebody was a fool. Especially if you know nothing about the person and even no context of the situation mentioned.

DagenDaDragon - i believe x's note was not entirely a joke. If you think of my statement, you will understand that i DID point out sze's sexist approach. The whole concept of political correctness is based on prejudices. In this case on gender related. I did not tell that directly but fortunately some cought what i meant.

Hehe - love the irony in your previous post, Nosy ;) ^^^
and agreed - "bickering" never as productive as discussing.

As for my inference that sexism was additionally brought into the discussion when Aranka stated:

“Most likely szeweningen once again liked mocking the sentiment that women could be equal to men.”

I stand by that. She quickly let us know that her skills were competitive with a Grand Master’s. Sexism scoffed at, but not ignored.

“I hope now you understand why nobody here was challenging sexism. I don't begrudge you your mistakes, naturally you would need a man to explain these things to you.”

Many lols…is there one in the house? ;)

There is equality in the legal sense, which is a battle of feminism and sexism, and then there is equality in the sense of, ahem, board games, and perhaps it's not helpful to conflate the two. Not only was her evidence purely anecdotal, the point I make in the "Forgetting ..." paragraph still applies.

Let's say that you were right, and that by participating in the argument, you were battling sexism. Then it would follow that, if the men were right, and women were indeed worse at chess, then they should be treated as second-class citizens.

You don't appear to have grasped my argument, or at least you didn't rebut any of it, but you've laughed at my jokes, so I have hope for you ;)

Anyway, here's how that Aranka comment should have been phrased if it were combatting sexism: "I beat a grandmaster. Whether or not women are as good as men at chess on the whole, it's wrong to generalise me or marginalise me because of my gender." By engaging them on their own misogynistic level, you are only encouraging more such comments, and implicitly conceding a faulty premise. Girl power!

Nosy-

I agree with your “forgetting” paragraph. Unfortunately, the issue of mocking /ridiculing a person because of their sex came into play. This constitutes sexism. Debasing a person solely on their sex, race, or sexual orientation is what I take issue with or attempt to “battle” as you say.

Agreed there were several things that could have been said differently to combat sexism more efficiently earlier on in this thread (I include myself here).

“By engaging them on their own misogynistic level, you are only encouraging more such comments, implicitly conceding a faulty premise”

Many lessons learned :)

I appreciate your humility, it's a quality I certainly don't share. Thanks for confronting all this sexism with me. I think we did it.

*crosses fingers*

Mammary glands or abscond

Thanks for confronting all this sexism with me. I think we did it.

I dont buy it, I didnt see any sexism. I'm with capybara, there are no women on the internet. Am I the only one who understands the rules?

"Physically it seems women cannot compete with men in anything but long distance swimming." is obviously not true, why do you even bother arguing about it? You glanced at the sentence and your sexism alarm blew up, so you couldnt help but wade in =D. I was antagonising aranka because i dont like her, why does everyone else with some chip on their shoulder feel the need to weigh in? shit...

Thanks Piggy for clarifying that your intent to antagonize was not based on sex alone. However, by your reasoning if you don’t like a black WarLight player, you think it’s totally okay to make a racial slur against said player because you want to antagonize them? Even if a racist intent wasn’t there, and you don’t consider yourself a racist, you make the slur because you dislike the person. It’s still a racist comment, and imo that’s never okay, regardless of the rules you go by.

My intent to antagonise was not based on sex even a tiny little bit. I dont care what is okay in your opinion, who would?

WarLight players who are interested in eliminating racist, sexist, and homophobic comments from the forums ;)

Sexist jokes =/= sexism.

The forums are tame enough as it is. The last thing they need is someone trying to force people to speak *more* conservatively. Why do you state your opinion like you have some authority?

Its funny that you aspire to be Petrosian, who was known for playing safe, dull chess and then tell people to stop being rude and obey the rules.

Issander - I agree, however Dead Piggy admitted he was antagonizing, not joking.

Dead Piggy - are you telling us you can't have fun without making a racist, sexist or homophobic comment?

I chose Tigran Petrosian because I like his name, not his play style ;)

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