Lets put it in perspective Boston:

Obama has authorized 193 drone strikes in Pakistan – four times the amount authorized by George W. Bush. According to Global Research, over the past 4 years Obama has authorized attacks in Pakistan which have killed more than 800 innocent civilians and just 22 Al-Qaeda officers.

Here is a list of children that died in those U.S. terrorist attacks in Yemen and Pakistan.
But hey, they speak the wrong language, they have the wrong colour of skin they must be worth less than a young boy of the city you grew up in.
So lets call them collateral damage and forget about them.

PAKISTAN

Name | Age | Gender

Noor Aziz | 8 | male
Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
Noor Syed | 8 | male
Wajid Noor | 9 | male
Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
Ayeesha | 3 | female
Qari Alamzeb | 14| male
Shoaib | 8 | male
Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male
Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
Maezol Khan | 8 | female
Nasir Khan | male
Naeem Khan | male
Naeemullah | male
Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
Ziauddin | 16 | male
Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
Fazal Hakim | 19 | male
Ilyas | 13 | male
Sohail | 7 | male
Asadullah | 9 | male
khalilullah | 9 | male
Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
Khalid | 12 | male
Saifullah | 9 | male
Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
Nawab | 17 | male
Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male
Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
Abdullah | 18 | male
Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
Shahbuddin | 15 | male
Yahya Khan | 16 |male
Rahatullah |17 | male
Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
Shahjehan | 15 | male
Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
Numair | 14 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Taseel Khan | 18 | male
Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
Alam Nabi | 11 | male
Qari Abdul Karim | 19 | male
Rahmatullah | 14 | male
Abdus Samad | 17 | male
Siraj | 16 | male
Saeedullah | 17 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Salman | 12 | male
Fazal Wahab | 18 | male
Baacha Rahman | 13 | male
Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male
Iftikhar | 17 | male
Inayatullah | 15 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Adnan | 16 | male
Najibullah | 13 | male
Naeemullah | 17 | male
Hizbullah | 10 | male
Kitab Gul | 12 | male
Wilayat Khan | 11 | male
Zabihullah | 16 | male
Shehzad Gul | 11 | male
Shabir | 15 | male
Qari Sharifullah | 17 | male
Shafiullah | 16 | male
Nimatullah | 14 | male
Shakirullah | 16 | male
Talha | 8 | male

YEMEN

Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female
Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female
Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female
Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female
Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male
Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male
Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female
Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female
Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female
Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female
Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male
Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female
Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female
Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female
Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female
Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male
Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female
Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female
Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male
Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male
Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female
AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male
Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male
Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 | male
Nasser Salim | 19

Here the sources:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/24164/a-list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen

http://web.law.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/microsites/human-rights-institute/COLUMBIACountingDronesFinalNotEmbargo.pdf

Aranka: i'm pretty sure this topic isn't about the holocaust.

"I have a right to blah blah blah blah"

Ugh, what a snoozeful argument this is. I hope this falls out of fashion quick.

I wasn't trying to deny you your rights, you silly little girl, I was saying maybe you should consider not flaunting them so proudly. Maybe you should prize more highly the right to remain silent.

I might be tempted to remain silent if other characters will also stop making derogative comments such as "silly little girl".

I just can't begin to realize just how inherently wrong that is in so many ways.....

Btw I find it "funny" (not the right word) that in Pakistan almost all the children casualties are of a male gender.
It really makes me wonder why there is such a statistically significant difference between the two.

Great, so everyone agrees with me that a dystopian society is exactly what we need, where we can all be dump and careless, and won't hurt each other.

But you guys are missing the point. It doesn't matter about color of skin or language spoken, what matters is how close to home it hits. The people on the forums don't realize the devistation due to propoganda and the fact that they're either EUPROEAN or AMERICAN (just being general, those seem to be the two highest populations). They aren't PAKISTIANIAN. Such as when the queen of England eventually dies, her family will feel sad, but so will people in the surrounding nations, as she is an icon. When 9/11 happened, people in the United States felt weak, exposed. They let terrorism scare them. You're arguing over different forms of terrorist attacks, when the real problem isn't how you see them- it's the people.

I'm not exactly in support of my president, but I don't think the man would authorize the senseless killing of people without a reason. Here, the reason is likely that he thinks he'll be doing the right thing without hurting too many people. We all make mistakes, don't we? We have to consider the risks and sometimes we choose wrong. It's not entirely right to pin this whole thing on Obama.

The human mind is in a constant, natural state for needing of conflict. It contradicts our morals and feeds our lesser side. Why do you think people argue so much on the forums? Why we like to watch people argue?d Point being, as soon as we stop desiring conflict, and as soon as we are all equal (with a superior court to preside over our actions... because dystopia, yanno?), we'll stop fighting. But seeing as that isn't going to happen without a genetic alteration to humans and many, many years, what we need to learn to see is how to help each other.

You're arguing over deaths, things that have already happened. Things that are final. What you should be focusing on are ways to prevent fear, ways to provide without hurting.

You should also stop putting Aranka down, she's smart. She knows what she talks about. This may be a patriartical forum, but fucking GIVE HER A CHANCE. Sexism was something bred into humans as a result of religion. You're so proud of not believing in a diety-- stop following in his preacher's footsteps.

But hey, [the children who died in Pakistan] speak the wrong language, they have the wrong colour of skin they must be worth less than a young boy of the city you grew up in.

This tragedy happened in Boston's home city. It could have easily been him (or his friends) who was injured/killed. That's why he's so upset about this. I'm not arguing that the children killed during the drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan don't matter (in fact, I wish more people were aware of what's happening there). But it's unfair to accuse him of racism just because he's angry about the bombings.

You should also stop putting Aranka down, she's smart. She knows what she talks about. This may be a patriartical forum, but fucking GIVE HER A CHANCE. Sexism was something bred into humans as a result of religion. You're so proud of not believing in a diety-- stop following in his preacher's footsteps.

While Aranka can sometimes contribute to the stereotype that women are extremely sensitive, Dead piggy & Catbus can be way too mean to her (Dead Piggy's behavior in particular disgusts me). Also, sexism has existed forever; it's a completely natural human behavior. Blaming religion for it is unfair and lazy. I'm sure that there are sexist religions, just as there are sexist people and sexist cultures. But those are anecdotal exceptions, not the norm.

(And yes, I do realize I'm writing this in a multi-account, but everything I said was serious. Please take it seriously.)

I'm not trying to say that religion invented sexism, but look at Christianity. (Now would probably be a good time to mention that I'm not Atheist, I actually am a Christian, so I'm not religion-bashing just because of my personal views.) The Bible... you know how many books were written by women? 1. Have you ever counted the references to women saving the world, or being holy? No, it's always men. Men and boys. Then look at the 'banned books,' books that through some point in time or another have been removed from the Bible. 90% of those books were written or co-written by women, listing women's deed's and showing actions that made people seem less than holy. Then look at the church. Women were fucking nuns. Men were pages, priests, popes. The /supported/ the spread of sexist values, instilled them in the very subconscious of their followers. It's always the patriarch mentioned first. Why? What makes women suddenly so unclean and unholy?

And then look at the 'barbarian' clans. The civilizations the Romans conquered let women fight as well as men. The Greeks had equal male and female deities. And have you ever wondered why, if no one can see God, that we know he's male?

So again, not saying that religion invented sexism, but it certainly spread it and hardened feelings.

You have to remember that this thing happens on a weekly and daily basis around the world. Just beacouse it happens in the USA makes no difference. People die by human hands. Get used to it.

Some of you people really sicken me.

This is supposed to be about mourning the deaths of these people at the hands of a lunatic. Just because someone has this happen so close to home and wants to post about it and try to talk about it, doesn't mean this doesn't happen in the rest of the world. It doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't matter. It just means that someone cared enough to make a post about it.

If you feel the need to make your own thread about deaths, bombings, or whatnot from something that is close or dear to you, FEEL FREE. Don't come here and troll a thread which had good intentions.

Some of the players from this site were extremely close to this bombing. BostonBruins (AHOL) lives in Boston so this is something really close to home for him.

[V.I.W] seahawks is staying in a hotel three blocks from where the explosions were. He was on lockdown with the bomb squad outside his hotel for most of the night. He is now allowed to leave, but only if he goes directly in the direction which is opposite the bomb site.

Please, if you want to troll or demean anything or anyone, don't do it in this thread. Human acts like this are terrible regardless of where they happen. The acts in Yemen and Pakistan are terrible, yes. Do I dispute this? No. I don't think anyone here does. Things like this do happen all the time, all around the world. Just because one situation is taken attention to like this doesn't mean it means more. It is just closer to home for many players. If you want to make your own thread about other issues, bombings, or grievances, then do it. Don't come in here and get all pissy though.

This thread is about grieving the lost in Boston. Yes, more kids have died as a result of drone strikes, but people still died in Boston. No one is saying that death of children in Pakistan is right, but this thread is about what happened in Boston. Please stick to topic.

Have you ever counted the references to women saving the world, or being holy?

So Esther,Sarah,Rebekah,Deborah,Jael,Hannah,Abigail and Mary were not holy?

Sexism was something bred into humans as a result of religion. You're so proud of not believing in a diety

This argument you have presented is hypocritical,you claim religion causes sexism yet say that the roman religion was not sexist and then you also say the romans had women soldiers yet religions like christianity existed in roman times and according to your theory religion especially christianity causes sexism and you say the romans were not sexist.What the fuck naomi.However sexism did not exist back in roman times and medieval ages because everyone were equals by default however since but did not do same jobs and same things sexism arrived.

http://sandradodd.com/sca/womenandwork

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=c6MQJ-pdbwAC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA3&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.cracked.com/article_20186_6-ridiculous-myths-about-middle-ages-everyone-believes_p2.html

Boston knows me and he knows that I dont accuse him of racism in the way you seem to understand it. He knows the things I tell him about the country he lives in and more often than not he agrees allthough he would rather not know all the nasty details i tell him.
I do realize that most of you dont have the necessary insight in what state the world is in, or the agenda under which things are happening. Most plainly lack the ability or the information to see the patterns or interdependencies under which violent acts against human beings are happening.
Granted the mercy of being born in a priviledged enviroment you are completely unaware of how your government is directly responsible for the injustice done to millions of people all over the world. Due to unwilligness or sheer indifference of accessing indepedent media, you are unable to put the things into perspective.

It is always sad when people die in an act of terror. It is sad and I am sorry for those people. But you can not sit in front of your TV, exictedly watch Baghdad getting bombarded in an injust and illegal war, demand the bombardment of Iran for them trying to immunize themselves against foreign aggression by aiming for a nuclear bomb or demand to bring death and misery upon the people of North Korea for living under an oppressive dictatorship and then suddenly stand up and cry out when an act of terror hits the very streets you walked in.
Terror is terror, no matter if done by individuals or armies.
And it is that very hipocrisy that is making people angry, because it is deeply injust and adding insult to injury for those less fortunate people suffering in other parts of the world in much greater number and graveness.

Catbus can be way too mean to her

"Silly little girl"? I could be meaner.

I was just teasing anyway. Don't I treat her the same as everyone else? ie terribly?

THREAD SUMMARY:

BOSTON: people died in Boston unnecessarily
EMPATHIC PEOPLE: that's sad
ARANKA: so let's talk about Syria
J MONEY POOPY: yo, lol
WORDSWORTH: sad. but Boston funding = IRA terrorism in UK. terrorism sucks, hugh?
ARANKA: who cares about terrorism. let's talk about deaths related to underfunded stem cell research.
BOSTON: i care about deaths in Boston. i'm from Boston.
PIGGY: blow up aranka
WORDSWORTH: forget what I just said. terrorism is bad.
PIGGY: no free speech for people with cheap speech.
WORDSWORTH: my speech is valuable and i am from the UK you stupid american (who is actually also from the UK)
PENIS LOVER KKK: so the topic is boston's retirement?
ARANKA: not interested in stem cells? how about syria and somalia?
BOSTON ALTS: sad day. people died in my city on an important civic holiday. wtf.
ARANKA: holocaust. creationists. topic 3 from another college intro class. etc.
MYHAND: man searching for answers, i got perspective: obama. pakistan. drones. civilian deaths. illegal. yemen too.
X: aranka has the right to remain silent
ARANKA: forget the public murders in boston. don't you understand how wrong it is to belittle a girl over her gender?
ARANKA: btw, isn't it funny that the gender of so many killed by drones is male?
NAOMI: dystopian society. my president. human mind. conflict is natural. death is final. your argument is meaningless. but aranka is intelligent, even though she is causing the most conflict with meaningless tangential thoughts in an argument that is meaningless.
ANTI-LOLOWAT: people died in boston.
NAOMI: let's argue about religion instead, even if all arguments are meaningless.
SKUNK: people die every day. get used to it. hell, i just killed someone who looked at me funny.
NOOBSCHOOL: Im disgusted. people died near some of us.
MYHAND: the world is complicated. americans are brainwashed. let me tell you how the world really is.
QI: i'm so clever. i can copy jruss and act like I truly understand.

topic 3 from another college intro class

Nice. Why can't you always be this funny?

US-american military drones are killing civilians all over the world.
So it's just fair to kill US-american civilians also...

Yeah maybe tubbie.
Seemingly some of the terrorists got bored waiting for another American loonie with easy acces to guns (willingly provided to him by the government) to just randomly kill people around him.

Wow, this thread went down the crapper in a hurry. As someone that has seen these senseless acts myself (live in Denver where they are still doing trial on Aurora theater shooter), I feel for the families.

I'm not going to argue the politics of this until we know who did it and why.

And I am a very political person in general, and I agree the US illegally waged war with Iraq and should not have been there, and should not be in Afghanistan now and should not be doing drone strikes either. But all of that has nothing to do with this event until proven otherwise. Other senseless losses of life do not make these any better. Just because elected officials think we should be the global policemen does not mean the citizens do.