we can also see a trend in this graph, I hope it helps you all

@Rick: Nah Fizzer is a smart cookie, it's just hard as fizz to get him to listen and respond (I have a betting ring for this, PM me if you want in- so far all bets on Fizzer actually reading stuff and responding to the point have lost). It makes sense from his perspective because he's flooded with noisy Information like people reporting the female genitalia themed clan Poon Squad for sexual innuendo. PSA: Poon Squad is a okay but naming a clan Big C**k is not because advertisers do not allow innuendo even though they use the word "cock" (don't worry, advertisers allow this) in their own publisher policies to refer to roosters, just like Big C**k clan. I can't believe Cacao got the clan deleted with no refund (not even in coins!) and just took it lying down. MFer (that's mother fizzer not mother f***er) took it lying down even though he literally lives on a fixed income where $10 matters.

Anyhow the issue with Fizzer isn't so much personal as structural. We're told indie this, indie that, indie rock, indie roll, indie your mom, indie your dad, but indie is bad. Corporate oligarchies like Activision have like thousands of people whose only way to get promoted is to show they did something good for revenue (in a competitive market, this means making consumers happy). Indie devs roll solo and are beholden to themselves and free to ignore customers.

Indie had accidentally invented an incredible skill-based strategy game but imagine if chess were controlled by one dude. That would be heck. This is Warlight- the birthright of humanity. And Fizzer keeps it from us! Why would I NOT collaborate with Activision?!

So if you have one takeaway from this post- forget about Clan Wars- it should be "indie games bad corporations good"

@Loxiiv: my favorite graph. Amazing to learn that if I had only 3 more inches I'd go from freakishly small to freakishly large.

Edited 1/28/2022 03:26:29

It's easy to give people a motive to play by giving more prizes. (Not Idle lol).

Blueman00 wrote:

I guess I'm an oddball because I actually like MMA LD. That being said, I still usually sign up for any SE if it's available just because I'm more likely to get an opponent around my skill level.
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As it is, Clan Wars is not newbie friendly.

I agree with what you say, and:

Hope to see you soon in one of those weird MA MME LF LD games! 😊

Lol

My suggestions to drive up participation would be the followings:

1, More non-idle rewards, especially for top placings. Going 4th vs going 20th doesnt really have a meaningful difference.
If Fizzer doesnt want to give out too many coins we could alwass set a small participation fee...

2, Lower the limit of active participants from 40 to 30 or 25. This should allow more clans to compete for top spots

3, Lower the amount of victories needed to get territories. It'd both make each map fill out faster AND it'd visibly divide the lower ranking clans from each other. 6 clans have 4 territories for example. There isn't really any motivation to play at that point, imo.

4, "Advertise" this feature more in app/site. Most newbies have no idea what clan wars is or how it works.

5, Feature Clan Wars placements both on player and clan profiles, like the ladder, coins won, etc.

6, Templates. Waiting 4 hours just to get slapped across the face with commander ld isn't fun. There have been (many)improvement suggestions, tho personally i'd just fix the minimum number of templates to 2. One of them could always be SE, one of them always some strat template.

Our clan members detest most of the templates in CWs, and also the 40 player rule.....we are a very competitive clan but we have exhausted ourselves past 8 or so months playing CW almost every day

There are also many more issues we have with CW like seeding based on the date of joining WZ(which makes the matchups very boring as older players always get older opponents and I'm tired of beating Dom 9 games in a row), not being able to play because too few opponents, not being able to play just because you joined warzone recently, getting hardly any good matchups as no other competitive clan is playing CW, fizzer keeps making the template allotment worse and worst every season, realistically we can only play in half the slots of the day because of bad templates/sleep/work schedule, etc.......and if we're unlucky we have to play local deploy game for an hour just waiting for our opponent to realize that they had lost 59 mins ago

and so many of us decided to stop playing

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=7&Timeslot=1620

Only LD templates, so only 16 players in the entire slot. This means that tomorrow, there will likely be a single template. That means that players will most likely skip that slot, since there is a big chance they don't like the specific template -> less people in the slot -> another 1 template slot the day after -> repeat until SE shows up to reset the cycle

At the time of writing this (45+ minutes after the games were created), there is still a game going. It's oke that CW forces inconveniently timed timeslots on people for the sake of matchmaking, but at least pick templates that dont take forever to finish....

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=7&Timeslot=1618 Commander LD
https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=7&Timeslot=1619 Commander LD
https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=7&Timeslot=1620 Commander LD + Multi attack

Numner of Players, 14, 9, 10 and 6.
Really unfriendly.
A possible random draw to hit comm LD three in a row? 1/6 of 1/6 of 2/7? 0.008%?

And commander LD is the worst. Especially when someone just runs a commander. It can be 20 minutes to get commander killing stacks to block it in from both sides.
And Ryiro is absolutely right, can be playing on for 40 minutes after it was lost or won, for no reason. And with 2 minute turns it is tough/pointless.

Thanks for your data knyte, that was interesting to read.

Unfortunately, Fizzer implied in a DM to me that he wouldn't change anything about Clan Wars until season 10. Not that I particularly care anymore (since I am an inactive player of this game now), but I think not changing CW at this point is super negligent.

CW was super boring and a chore to begin with. Player activity declining was inevitable. Fizzer thinking that "players will organize later" is utterly fanciful. Its common sense to design a game mode that is enjoyable to play.

I like Fizzer as a person and I definitely agree he's very smart in certain ways. But I also think he has terrible business sense, and that's come out in several ways.

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=7&Timeslot=1621
Thirty players on Small Earth versus three on MME LD&MA and five whole teams on 2v2

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=7&Timeslot=1624
Once again MME LD&MA as the sole template

Edited 12/6/2021 04:11:50

Warlight is like if Michael Eisner accidentally invented chess.

Yeah, clan wars is dying. Fizz should make 6 divisions or so with about 6 clans in each and they complete for rewards or something like that. Highest division has highest prize etc. 2 promotion and 2 demotion per division.

Clan League is running fine as-is. If CW duplicates CL, that'll most likely just lead to a worse CL (or CL replacement) given the track record of first-party community events.

Yeah, clan wars is dying. Fizz should make 6 divisions or so with about 6 clans in each and they complete for rewards or something like that. Highest division has highest prize etc. 2 promotion and 2 demotion per division.

I think this would be a good idea for clan wars. Where each divison has a number1/2 reward but also goes up a divison. reward depending on the divison you are in

Edited 12/6/2021 08:40:33

also how about the clan can pick the reward atm. why not the choice between the idle rewards and classic rewards (more coins maybe, a color?) as a good amount of people prob dont play idle

Sorry, but I feel like this thread is going into a weird territory. The OP made a clear, convincing point supported by exhaustive analysis, which will be actually helpful to Fizzer. Yet some people now start to brainstorm and share ill-considered ideas about anything CW-related, presented in such messy way that nobody wants to even discuss them.

Dividing clans into divisions in Clan Wars has no use, because it would extremely limit the matchup pool in the timeslots with fewer players. Especially when there are templates that five players in total join - what if they are from five different divisions? It means no game for all of them! Also, there are over 400 clans on Warzone - how would you even organize them into divisions? You can't just copy solutions from Clan League just because they have similar names, they work completely differently!

Not even talking about the proposal of six divisions with six clans each - so now only 36 clans can compete, why?

Choice between Idle and Classic rewards - what exactly would you award that way? Coins work for both games, so it makes no sense to pair it with specifically one of them. Colors? They are a vanity feature to support Warzone financially, and you want to give them away... XP? I would agree that XP from CW is too small, but choosing between Idle artifacts AND XP doesn't sound appealing - why not both?

I agree with Sangrinius' suggestions though, but I think it'd be better to start a new thread.

Just add classic artefacts which increase your powers in warzone classic and make the reward for CW.

Edited 12/6/2021 13:54:33