I dont know about that but from his only comment here I suspect it might be true.

Anyhow

We lack 3 players.

@Tacky and @alex : )

Anyone who know us please hurry and write so we can fill those seats fast!

Invite my alt

You are always welcome :)

Hmm.. tried reaching out to find out more info.. and this was the response I received.. not as welcoming as I was hoping:

"Unless you know someone in the clan who can tell me you are a brilliant player I dont think you meed the pre req."

Maybe I'll need to beat some of their clan members for them to pass along a note..

NoooOOOoooo, not Xeno !!

Remember Xeno is secretly helping MH!

1v1: 1200 / 2670 (44%)

Global: 505.28

https://www.warzone.com/LadderGames?ID=0&LadderTeamID=5907 (2 wins, 12 losses; 3 runs in 2014, 2015, 2019 where you lost nearly all your games against the bottom of the ladder)
https://www.warzone.com/LadderGames?ID=4082&LadderTeamID=30725 (finished near the bottom of the previous Seasonal; 462/482)
https://www.warzone.com/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=31620 (near the bottom of the ongoing Seasonal, 422/425 among ranked players)

"Unless you know someone in the clan who can tell me you are a brilliant player I dont think you meed the pre req."

So I think this is a fair reaction. Myth Busters expect well above average skill because they need to sustain a well-above-50% win rate. Do you have anything that shows you'd be able to meet their skill level?

I also want it known he was offered an invite to the discord and training to help him become a possible fit in the future. :)

"So I think this is a fair reaction. Myth Busters expect well above average skill because they need to sustain a well-above-50% win rate. Do you have anything that shows you'd be able to meet their skill level? "

Records in clam wars are open record, go into map and click P next to the clam. You can go back to previous seasons.
If you have the goods, it is what I would lead with if I were to apply to a new clam.
Also I don't think you need to be the best. As long as you are better than their bottom 5, you should be golden. Anyone who tries a bit and plays every day should be good enough to replace their worst players.
Yes I know, Clam rating means weaker opponents but still.

Also if someone gets 80% over 10 games and you get 40% over 20 games, same amount of wins, and they have plenty of people in that position.

"I also want it known he was offered an invite to the discord and training to help him become a possible fit in the future. :) "

Well, the more you nerd/know.

That is swell.

I think the confusion comes from the initial post itself which while somewhat obvious to those who are in the CW fight already, doesn't actually call out that what they're actually seeking is skilled players who will help the cause. The wording used "Play with the best, become the best!" sounds much more open, like they're inviting everyone to come join the winning community to help each other grow and become even better.

The requirements section for example states "daily play", "relationship with current member/recommendation" (this is where he's failing now) and "that's about it"... so ignored the last one, he has 50% of the requirements, lol. And "relationship" is ambiguous - he's emailed one of you so does that count as a "relationship" now? lol - Obviously not, but clearly this "Requirements" section should really be calling out minimal >50% WR in previous CW seasons, 1v1 record, 1v1 Ladders/Tourneys/etc, b/c in the end that's what you're going to look at to determine if someone is worth recruiting or not, so just list it as a requirement.

Those of us in the fight know that the invite isn't really open to everyone. MB needs minimally players with >50% WR to be even remotely feasible, >60% to be an asset, >70% to really lock in wins and take the advantage over MH and others.

So while it sounds like a call to the greater community to find interested players, it's actually a call to only the skilled players in the community who are spread across several clans to heed the call of MB, take a stint of a season or 2 to lend their high WR to the MB cause.

If there was also an offer to join Discord & train him, well then hat's off, maybe you're turning into a real clan (where players will stay for 6-12+ months with their mains) rather than just a CW mercenary clan (hired guns join with alts for a couple seasons until they get bored and go back to their home clans; which is admittedly an interesting way to entice people to help the cause without impacting any CL/ladder/etc glory in their home clan, like having 2 passports with dual citizenship).

which is admittedly an interesting way to entice people to help the cause without impacting any CL/ladder/etc glory in their home clan

It's uninteresting if you look at it as an obvious outcome of the incentives created by CW. CW* has turned Idle rewards into a destructive force for clans, making players pick between coins & artifacts vs. the community value that authentic clans create. MB, for all its flaws, at least isolates the decay from existing clans, instead of the route M'H took of turning the existing thriving community into the CW clan, at the expense of what made it good.

Even though CL has been intense in the past, CW has been the first time I've heard of someone chewing out a grandfather for spending time with his kids instead of playing the game or of someone playing drill sergeant and chewing people out for missing slots. Even when people ghosted & booted in CL, I don't remember them facing such pressure. CW not only requires us to come up with the absurd phrase "game-life balance" but often decidedly falls on the wrong side of that balance.

Don't get cwcked. Become a clegend! https://www.warzone.com/Forum/642190-clan-league-16-signup-announcements

* as currently implemented by, and I cannot stress this enough, by someone who has never really participated in clans, was not instrumental in their formation, does not seem to understand the value they create for players or the game, and just ignores feedback from players

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Yes I know, Clam rating means weaker opponents but still.

That's like using someone's Little League record to say they'd pitch like Ohtani in the majors. The CW opponent skill gap between what top & low-rated clans face isn't that huge, but it's still significant. The same gameplay that lets someone earn a 50% win rate in Prime would make them lucky to score a >5% win rate in a top-tier clan.

Anyhow, we can look at that. The last CW season Creative Cloud participated in was Season 6, which ended 10 months ago. In that season, RD went 4-8. (12 games out of a possible 65, for an 18.5% participation rate; That's a 6.2% participation*win rate. In Season 18, with 20 possible games, that would translate to 1.2 expected wins for MB, without even accounting for the opponent skill gap. The least valuable Season 18 MB CW participant, MIFRAN, still put up 2 wins.)



Creative Cloud has a CW rating of 188.5, so that's like going 4-8 in Prime, the blue furries clan, NEETs, World League, or TSFH. Myth Busters' peer group instead look like:


Neither his wins nor losses indicate above-average skill.

e.g., these Strat MME picks (https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=28391218):


and these SE1W opening moves (https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=28561207):


It's great that MB offered training. Just a few insights could make a big difference at RD's apparent skill level based on those games.

Edited 9/18/2022 17:11:45

Agree with you on most if not all fronts. I wish there was a better offering to not make CW divisive for clans, forcing restructure to be able to compete for top spots.

I think RD should take the offer to "casually" join MB from the side and take the training (similarly to me being offered to join 101st, which at the time I didn't realize was essentially the same thing as Python as far as training/community goes, just you don't play CL for them; so I went to Discovery which I was clear was the community for Disco/FCC, just FCC was the literally used only for CL).

Until I trained for the first time w/Ursus, I didn't realize how much I had to learn. I'm still not good (ie: not good enough to be in Python, GG, One, Masters, etc; might be able to make MB tho, lol) but have improved enough to not embarrass myself at least. Decent-ish in SE, improvement with S1v1, FB.

Some people are smart enough to figure out the easy stuff get to "average" on their own. The rest of need someone to point out what in hindsight appears to be "obvious" but wasn't for us at the time. And it doesn't take that long to pick up once the easy stuff is pointed out.

The rest of need someone to point out what in hindsight appears to be "obvious" but wasn't for us at the time. And it doesn't take that long to pick up once the easy stuff is pointed out.

Cannot second this enough. Player development is essential if we want the strat community to survive or thrive rather than stagnate and dwindle, especially now that CW and its transformation of clans further takes strat off the path of discoverability.

Edited 9/18/2022 21:51:38

If you invent a funny indicator for player development, let's call it the "How often did Python/Lynx have a new best player indicator" [HODP/LHANBPI], you can already figure that either the very top couple of players has disconnected from everybody else, or the player development isn't exactly on its peak. AI/BBJ has been on top of our community skill-wise since around three years now. There were times when twice or thrice a year someone new became the best.

Edited 9/19/2022 02:05:41

lmao alex i've been using similar indicators as proxies for sometime - also "new Python players in the last 6 months"

i think the other thing to look at is the current situation with training clans on the conversion pathway. 101st seems robust(?), M'H seems to be pushing players toward SE & CW (at least based on a recent M'H join that I've talked to), while Disco seems to have ended with the FCC>Blitz merger. What's the current status of the training clan ecosystem?

I used to have five or six trainees at once around 2017/2018, now the only promising one I had deleted their account

people are always looking to learn, its a good game.

the usual ego fest, i see nothing has changed

I have been trained by Pulsey, thanks Pulsey for making me the great player I am today

clearly i did a bad job, apart from 'creating a stack of 1000 armies', all your profile achievements are garbage