Sure, you don't have to take me at my word. But Norman does use a VPN. It also a little sus that this guy just joined MH days ago, but now has dirt on MH from 6 years ago including messages that only Norman would have access too.


He is offering himself up for a 2 year ban - Really hurts a guy who won't even play.

wants to punished a bunch of retired players - Again doesn't hurt anyone

Give Optimum a 15 point penalty - Only thing that actually hurts anyone..... and who might actually have issues with Optimum? Maybe the player who drove everyone away from MH and now wants payback?

Edited 11/15/2022 22:09:05

My biggest fangirl is back! Long time no see, [IM]YouMustBeKidding!

If I were trying to help my clan, I would simply not reveal that its current leadership had encouraged & engaged in systematic, clan-wide cheating.

Oh come on, nobody sees the humor in that post? Don't be a sour grape now!

Idk I think the whole "our whole Clan League team cheated and our current leadership was fully aware and involved" part overshadows the rather weak "so another clan should be punished LOL" punchline.

But I don't have racial slurs written all over my personal chair right now so I suspect we might just have different tastes in humor.

So was it a real claim and call to action or just a hoax? I dont get it...

Also [IM]YouMustBeKidding profile info has changed.
Now it really looks like someone tries to pretend that it is Norman, or it is Norman trying to pretend someone from Hungary pretending to be him, or... I am really lost

Is it funny? Imho, now that I know that that account is Norman, sort of but it's a weak joke (see l4v's post) that comes off more as throwing shade at players where there an ongoing beef. Tbh, even though I realized it wasn't a serious post (b/c it's a ridic request, to ask a different clan to be punished for something done by others multiple years prior), I found it more confusing than anything else.

See 5S's response above - that's likely the most common reaction to this, just not sure what the real point of the post is. "Is the claim true? Is the request serious? Is this a real player? Is this a joke? What is the writer trying to convey? Not sure but pretty sure there's a dig @ OP somewhere in there."

Humour isn't universal, so can't be surprised if people don't laugh at your joke, or even get offended by it.

And if it isn't your style of joke, pls just groan & hang it up in the 'bad humour' closet and let's move on.

@5s: don't worry about it too much. It's an odd account, likely someone's alt, that only surfaces during odd situations. Google search 'site:warzone.com/Forum "[IM]YouMustBeKidding"'; it's an account that's been widely suspected of just being Norman for 6y, since it mainly shows up like a frustrated sockpuppet when times are tough, but don't think any hard proof exists.

I just don't understand why the joke here is predicated on apparently revealing serious clan-wide cheating, under current leadership, from around the same time M'Hunters got caught and got away with other cheating (https://bit.ly/mh-cheating). I also don't understand how Farah's downplaying it: he seemed to take it quite seriously when someone in MASTER clan screenshared an already-won game in their clan Discord just to brag about the outcome, docking them points.

Either way, it's odd to even hint at cheating like this when trying to bolster your struggling clan's image.

Maybe farrah is so hurt by this cheating that he just needs to mask his pain with humor.

It's just a joke. I was in MH when this supposed cheating happened. It didn't happen. I thought that was implied by the post, but sarcasm and the internet have been known to have a tough relationship. No cheating occured, no worries. If MH had actually cheated there, I would've acknowledged it and I wouldn't be telling you to take it easy or 'downplay' it. It's just a joke.

I know of the incident referenced by that long document; Deadman and Beren handled that when they were in charge. I still don't like people cheating in CL, obviously. That goes for all clans: Masters, MH, Blitz, but especially Apprentice. Those arses! You don't want to know the shenanigans Koopa has been up to!

But I don't have racial slurs written all over my personal chair right now so I suspect we might just have different tastes in humor.

Hey, I didn't write those. You can blame Sloppy for that. Or Jeff.

Okay, that's good. Thanks for confirming the cheating didn't happen.

If MH had actually cheated there, I would've acknowledged it and I wouldn't be telling you to take it easy or 'downplay' it. It's just a joke.

Well, the last time MH openly cheated in Clan League, I don't know whether you downplayed it (don't remember), but I certainly don't remember you taking it seriously & I remember you in fact cheating the same way the next season or the season after in another clan & getting suspended from CL. I thought it's a period we've agreed to avoid bringing up, on y'all's end because it was messed up and on my end because I don't want to gloat about having been vindicated and on everyone's end because dredging up old conflicts just goes nowhere.

I'll be honest. I don't really expect the highest ethics from prominent members of this community, least of all those with a Mukhituly Hunters clan tag, for the same reason you wouldn't expect to be served good food at a Dutch restaurant: there's a concerning track record.


Edited 11/17/2022 00:08:15

Well, the last time MH openly cheated in Clan League, I don't know whether you downplayed it (don't remember), but I certainly don't remember you taking it seriously

If I remember correctly I wasn't that active at the time. I do remember condemning it in several skype chats (remember those days?)

I remember you in fact cheating the same way the next season or the season after in another clan & getting suspended from CL.

Correct. And I won't run away from that. I did a bad thing, the clan I was in did a bad thing, we got our punishments and moved on. Needless to say I never repeated said behavior again. Remember who came forward with the whole cheating scandal in Masters? It was me. I got myself suspended from CL because I knew what we did was wrong. I still stand behind that.

Also, Dutch cuisine is about the worst in the world you'll find.

Also, Dutch cuisine is about the worst in the world you'll find.

Good we found a point of agreement, let's just end the thread here before it spirals.

let's just end the thread here before it spirals.

Another point of agreement! :)

Croquettes originate from NL? They're called korokke (コロッケ) in Japanese and they're freaking awesome, pumpkin korokke (カボチャ・コロッケ) are my favourite (the center is a pork/pumpkin mix). Thank you to the Dutch for this.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Norman cries in therapy
and needs to use shampoo

Ok that was straight up lowkey funny.

We are starting to hit levels of toxicity again :). Plz don't cross that line

Come on, I just started enjoying

Roses are red
It's all been a fix
Optimum was nuked five times
Now it's been nuked six