Members cannot create games with 40 players. They may be able to if they level up enough, but so can non-members. Same goes for local deployment (if it were members only it wouldn't be unlockable it would be there already for members).

Same probably goes for luck/move order. The point is we don't know, but it seems pretty likely and if so, my points stand.

Non-members can invite up to 10 players to their games.(compared to 40 for members)

That number is higher. I can make 12 player games. I believe I unlocked it at level 18.

I still cannot change kill rate or implement wastelands.

Arun, your point is based entirely upon unfounded assumptions.

Hmm, i'm curious what the new max. is for non-members then, though i must say i was already pleased with being able to make 8-player games.
It might be 22 since 6(standard) + 16 (added new max. for members that they have to level to unlock) is 22 together, although that # seems high to me.

Arun - it seems to me you're just looking for something to complain about, so here:
You're right, you got screwed over by Fizzer and should sell your account to someone for 20$
then make a new free account and just unlock everything with leveling up.

powerneg non members can make up to 12 player games, i can but i haven't even used my tournament and more players priviledges yet.

arun, we already said this several times, try to get it: what we are trying to say si that probably non-members wont eb abel to get the 40 players agmes even with levels, those things will only be unlocked to members... but we also dont know it, as you also dont, but it seems likely to be this way

And what I'm saying is that you are wrong. If it is unlockable by level, than it will be for everyone.

Player A - I assume that X is true

Player B - You're wrong. X is clearly wrong and Y is obviously true. I know this because I assume it is true so it must be!

Player A - Nuh-uh! Your assumption is wrong and MY assumption is right! Duh. How hard is that to understand?


Your both making baseless assumptions and acting like they are absolute truths. Stop being such kneebiters.

wowbagger, you are completely wrong, both our assumptions are based....

On what Pink? Based on another player's whim from what I've seen. Wowbagger is on the money. Nobody knows, we'll just have to see.

Ironheart, how do you know that is the (absolute) max ?
I am two levels behind you and can make 10-player games, the message i get when trying to add players says i can only invite 10 and i need to be a member to make 20-player games, it doesn't explicitly state that 10 is max. for non-members but it does make it seem like it,
maybe you are getting the same message at level 18 with 12 players ?

I don't care that we already have the features. I just want to know what I am not unlocking (already have). Otherwise the leveling is pretty boring (you are not shown what you would have gotten at each level).

Am not saying 12 is the max, i am just saying 10 definitely isn't the max.

was about to bash arun for not reading properly the posts announcing 2.0 where fizzer stated more stuff for members other then the ad blocker, but now that i read them again i don't really see that line anywhere myself.

but i do see a forum reply by Fizzer on one of the forum threads saying the following:

"i payed £20 for membership a few weeks ago...i just wasted my money" I understand why you may feel that way, but you should wait until you see all the details. I'm pretty sure you won't feel like it was a waste once all the details are revealed.

so i guess if you feel robbed you can still have a little faith that you might not feel as much after a couple of months.

I only farmed for two days for a similar reason to JSA; to get a decent, respectable level.

I farmed to get respect

do you not see how self-defeating this is

Funny how my name always gets brought into things :)

I farmed a few games, and that was because I wanted to be at the level I would have been had I not been gone for the first week of 2.0. I shouldn't have farmed just cause it was a waste of my time. Members really gain nothing from it, I could care less about inviting 40 people to a game.

I'll start that this thread made me think about Angry Birds!

Well...what should i say, i'm getting very confused. I can't understand what's going wrong with all this stuff.

40 players FFA? REALLY GUYS? is that the ULTIMATE FEATURE? that's dust in your eyes.

Still i don't get why Fizzer doesn't want to reveal other details. It was okay before the 2.0, but when I read the 2.0 blog post, i felt like i knew already everything. Where are the shiny new features that won't be revealed until the launch of the 2.0?

2.0 is on and all I can see is FARMING, non members getting my same "privileges", and a lot of confused people about what is unlocked and when.


Fizzer, why don't you make a "map" with all the levels, and all you can unlock to every level? As far as i remember, every games shows you that. It's also a psycological factor! Think about seeing that at level 50 you unlock some new card, new setting, or that at level 100 all myhand's alts will be revealed!
I would know for what I'm trying to get there.

As it is now, we are just a bunch o confused people, some desperatly farming as there isn't a "tomorrow" for them, and others that THOUGHT they already have all the benefits, but as it seems, they also have to play to unlock them.

By the way nonmembers can get to 24 player games. I was talking to schuyler (level 35). Not sure if they will get the new extension to 40, I hope not, but then again it doesnt much of a difference.

I have not been able to make a 40 player game. If members are able to do that I will be very happy. However I find it strange that non-members are getting benefits and can sympathize with angry members, although I don't thing I am one.

The thing is Red, since income now comes through advertising, it is more beneficial to Fizzer that people should farm, rather than work on interesting maps or templates. It is better to have noobs playing one million games to unlock the level benefits, rather than to make a player who really cares about the game and the strategic possibilities pay to be able to use them, and to make them want to invest in the game.

tl;dr: players farming is in the nature of advertising-based games.

Not that it's really important.