Not really, doesn't achieve anything in terms of ranking once a stable rating has been reached.

Well activity bonus is in mtl and works well I think or something to hurt your rating like Krinid said would be interesting too since ladder is a race but it already kinda rewards activity

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While I did prefer the old ladder booting set-up, I don't think that shorter per-turn timers alongside a bank which replenishes over time is actually a worse solution. The only question becomes what those timers should be.
If you had 2 day base, with 2 days banked and this 3 hour per day addition, I think that would be a perfectly reasonable solution and give more time than historically for picks (which is where I would guess most people appreciate the extra time).

^I could support that for sure :)

I am not a staller but I generally play slower when I think that I am losing. This is not to annoy anyone but because I become indecisive and don't want to commit a mistake.
I got booted off the ladder because I missed the shortened clock.

Edited 7/22/2023 07:43:58

If I am the type of player you want rid of then fine but I will regularly make a turn in hours it's just games that are going badly need more thought. I also make two turns at once most of the time. I cannot meet a 24hr clock with my other commitments

The most common boot time for MD open games is 2-3 days and CLOTs use 3 days as well. Would make sense if both ladders and MD QM had minimum of 2 days boot.

I think it makes sense that quickmatches have short boot times (given the name), but with the rating change and boot change it feels like the 1v1 ladder is now just an extension of QM to me - especially as QM already has ratings specific to the strat 1v1 MME template.

Not sure we need 3 day standard boot timers, but playing more with the banked timer could make it work, I definitely think what is meant to be the pinnacle of competition on the website should give people the time to properly consider moves and play their best rather than feel rushed if they only log on once a day (eg getting home from work).

The pinnacle of competition on the website will always be community events, because that's their goal. They were created for this purpose. Currently it's MTL for 1v1, Clan League for teamgames.

Fizzer's inventions like CW, QM and the new ladders are all heavily activity-based. That's their goal, to make you play a lot, bring activity to the site, with some facade of a leaderboard on top of it.

And I agree with you that the roles of 1v1 ladder and QM on the MME template overlap almost completely. Fizzer might have intended otherwise, but for me as a player, this is simply true.

Fizzer doesn't care about the ladders anymore or the strategy playerbase - he just cares about those sweet sweet dollars.

He also doesn't care about surverying the playerbase about his highly unpopular changes like he said he was going to :(

I asked him about that, he said that he didn't feel the survey was necessary b/c he already increased the ladder time from the original setting when the ladder change went live

@fizzer it is still necessary as although this just about fixed the 1v1 ladder in terms of boot time - the team ladders are still broken

The pinnacle of competition on the website will always be community events, because that's their goal.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. While it may be that over the past few years the most elite players have moved towards MTL being the best place to compete, I would argue that the ladder with most use, and which has been the front of people's minds for over a decade now is the 1v1 ladder, and I believe it should continue to be so.

I don't spend much time in the forum, but I would be extremely surprised if the number of threads and posts about MTL winners or scandals was anywhere near that for the 1v1 ladder.

But maybe I am just an old man with an old-fashioned view.

In my view (and not just mine) the MTL has clearly overtaken all official ladders in terms of prestige. You will be more talked about if you grab 1st place on MTL than on the 1v1 ladder. When a discussion started in the Nations' Cup thread about comparing the teams' strength, the MTL ratings were used as the primary proof of skill at the game: https://www.warzone.com/Forum/700792-nations-cup-2023-signups?Offset=58

The ladder with most use would quite clearly be Quickmatch. And while its rating system is fine enough for most players, the ratings past 1000 make little sense anymore. Quickmatch rating doesn't work at all for evaluating the skill of top 10% of players.

The former 1v1 ladder was a similar story. At the top level the rating system was an inaccurate mess and hardly any elite player was even playing it. Master of Desaster made a joke run purposefully making only 3 picks each game, and got 1st place. This was the ultimate proof that the best players are to be found somewhere else, not on the 1v1 ladder.

Don't get me wrong, I dont think it's good for the site that in this "strategy" game players needed to find a roundabout way to have a high level strategic competition. But that's what's happened.

I agree with Rento, I would just like to add that it remains imaginable to integrate the MTL into the Warzone infrastructure as a ladder eventually.

^ if that happens boot times will probably be edited

Fizzer would need to respect that he doesn't get to change things about MTL in that scenario

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