Hello everyone!

At the request of some players, I am planning to make a remake of the popular map notably known as Guiroma (Imperium Romanum by Kayn), originally published in 2011.

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=72163

I would like to know the opinion of this community and if they have any suggestions to consider.

Lion.

Why not use Kate Upton 2 strategic edition? https://www.warzone.com/Map/32863-Kate-Upton-2-Strategic-Edition

Edited 4/25/2024 22:10:45

this highly depends on how much time can you invest into this and how meticulous you want to be. Of the top of my head:

• The overall colour palette and texture of the map feels off. My first thought is something that resembles historical context like brown earthy shades or sepia instead of the green filling for the rectangle around the map. maybe even some form of roman mosaic pattern if it fits, no idea. Now, I know it might sound cringy, but if the background gives a classical vibe you can even incorporate things like roman ships between sea connections, similarly to biomes.
  
• Some of the borders between territories/bonuses look very fake. Looking at things like Mauretania +2 West Africa having territories separated by straight lines, and the Spanish +5 Islands being circles.
  
• Same topic, if it's possible to adjust the current borders to either geographical features or ancient roman province borders would be really cool, so it feels realistic. I can look into that and edit my post if there's ways to tackle that though my history knowledge is limited.
  
• the sea levels in the Mediterranean are way too wrong in the current map, + the quadrillion of missing islands in greece, malta, and west mediterranean, but also no realistic solution for these in my head.
  

The map also has some questionable terminology (not entirely sure, not an expert in ancient roman history). There's the trend of using provinces as bonuses and cities or areas as territories which makes sense overall. But it's weird to go for britain instead of britannia and egypt instead of aegyptus for example.
Also if it can be avoided using a city for the name of a whole territory it would feel more accurate in my head, but it's a whatever thing. For example, Italy didn't really have provinces till Augustus divided it and the city of Cannae would be Apulia and Terentum would be Calabria.
Also we have a bonus and a territory called Dacia.
And In Illyricum-Greece I'm crying cause the city of Athens is where the territory Achaia (not Achaea, i think) is, while the territory Athens is Thessaly or Thessalia in reality. Also if you google Illyricum you'll find really fast that Illyricum has absolutely nothing to do with that peninsula. Historically it would be more accurate to even call the bonus Achaia (which it kinda isn't since it's Achaia + Macedonia + Creta more or less) and change the territory Achaia to Corinth, that abides to the trend of using cities for territories and areas/provinces for bonuses.

Regardless, really appreciate the initiative, and feel free to send a message for any help and thank you for your work^^

Hi! It's one of my favorite maps, and seeing your work I'm sure a new design, even just aesthetically, could only elevate it in quality. I think it's a great idea!

I like some new aestetics. But I hope connections won't change

I love the Guiroma map, that's one of my favourites to play.
It would be even better with a new better design (although keeping the connections).
For exemple the Numenor experience was very much improved by the new map that is lightyears better then the previous one.

Would be awesome!

For exemple the Numenor experience was very much improved by the new map that is lightyears better then the previous one.

This!

Edited 4/26/2024 17:33:06

I love your maps! it would be great if you would do some magic to guiroma!!!

I won't lecture you on aesthetics Lionheart. I'm sure you're capable of making it look infinitely better than I ever could.

However, some of the territory names could do with some spell checking to make them more accurate to their Latin/Roman names. (For example; Londynium would be changed to Londinium.)

If you do it, I’ll definitely update the template used in the MTL to use it!

Unrelatedly, I updated the templates on MME to use the MME board map, and it’d be great if there was an analogous map for ME.

Tbh I am in love with Guiroma so anything to maintain feelings of nostalgia is great. Do you plan on changing any bonuses or balancing the map? Very cool 😎 thanks mr Lionheart!

Thinking about it, I'd suggest to make the sea not in the player colour blue and the land not in the player colour green.

Shhh, the player colour blue sea helps me to not get detected when opponents fast-forward the turn

Thank you everyone!

I real appreciate all the comments and suggestions, it'll be very helpful.

I'm starting the map making progress and as soon as possible I'll share the link here.

notice he's not remaking Siege cause it's impossible to make it better, that's how good LD Siege is

In my opinion, IR is already a fantastic map so it'd probably be best not to change the territories and bonuses too much, same for the connections as a few others have mentioned.

Any changes I could think of would be either to make the map more visually appealing or historically accurate. But thank you for making this, it's very exciting :D

Also thank you Lionheart for all your contributions. You made me a map a long long time ago and I still really appreciate that.

Edited 5/2/2024 21:57:53

Hello everyone!

Here is the link I want to share about the map under construction:

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=105356

In the next few days I'm going to nominate the territories and bonuses.

Fell free for any comments and suggestions.

Edited 5/3/2024 05:57:32

I always thought Guiroma is a particulary ugly map and the usage of player-green and player-blue for land/water is just an objectively bad choice.

You version looks beautiful as always :)

I hope all imperium romanum templates will quickly change to this version of the map.

On a side note:
Is it somehow possible to make such "slight" changes in QM templates without having to submit an entirely new one?
Otherwise i dont see the QM templates changing to this new version any time soon (maybe with the exception of Guiroma)

as far as I know you have to resubmit the new template, however it has been done quite successfully in the past with elitist Africa, guiroma being even more popular that step will probably not be such a headache, the more likely problem is that there will be two guiromas in the top 40.

As always Lion, it looks elegant and beautiful.