Why not, infinity means forever but only as we understand we can’t comprehend past infinity. It’s not actually never ending. Just unquantified

It doesnt really matter if we can comprehend past infinity or infinity. It is still infinite, by definition.
That means, it is never ending (in the sense that there is no last member)
If it has a last member, it wasnt infinite.

I m not exactly sure where your assumptions come from.
Ppl indeed often use infinite to describe something very large when it is actually finite, but that is just a misuse of the word and doesnt change its definiton.
Also, you may say that in reality, everything ends (which is a bold claim, but maybe reasonable. Probs would get a noble prize for proving that), but even if that is the case, it again doesnt change what infinity is. The mathematical concept stays untouched by whats going on in the real world.
Unquantified is a completly different thing. Unquantified could still be small for all we know.

It’s only never ending as we understand it, like a broad term to apply to all numbers past a certain point. It’s like telling a toddler 100 + 1 and 100 are both infinity and one isn’t a greater number because the toddler can only count to 10 and cannot begin to comprehend the values, therefore it is just infinity.


When they say not all infinities are equal, they could mean many things, but usually the difference between the concept of natural and real numbers. Infinity is a concept, and I conceptualize infinity + 1 to be greater

It’s only never ending as we understand it

*as we define it (this should already be sufficient to prove my point..)

like a broad term to apply to all numbers past a certain point.

there is no point. This shows you still confuse infinity with just a big number.

It’s like telling a toddler 100 + 1 and 100 are both infinity and one isn’t a greater number because the toddler can only count to 10 and cannot begin to comprehend the values, therefore it is just infinity.

again, confusing infinity with a big number.

When they say not all infinities are equal, they could mean many things, but usually the difference between the concept of natural and real numbers.

They mean that there exists no bijective function between the two sets of given cardinalities. Could be real and natural, could be whatever.

Infinity is a concept, and I conceptualize infinity + 1 to be greater

But there is a clear definition of what it means to be greater or of equal size. You can use these definitions to mathematically prove that infinity and infinity + 1 are of the same size.
By finding that bijective function (which in this case is just a shift by 1)
However, you cant prove 100 = 100 + 1, cuz they aint the same

You can conceptualize that 2+3 = 23, still nonsense tho

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So dark matter, just does not exist. Neither does anything greater than infinity. We know there is something there, we can see the gravity, but we have no concept and therefore it doesn’t exist

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So dark matter, just isn’t doesn’t exist. Neither does anything greater than infinity. We know there is something there, we can see the gravity, but we have no concept and therefore it doesn’t exist

wat

i dont even understand what point you are arguing against. Where did i claim infinity doesnt exist? As a mathematical concept, it is well defined. If there is anything infinite in our Universe, no idea.
If there is dark matter - still open, from what i ve seen dark matter and modified newtonian gravity are the best contenders to explain the observations. Could be one of those, could be smth else.. seems like a different topic

I admire your interest in these topics, but if you want to understand these things, you need to look at the defintions first. From there, make your conclusions or look at conclusions other smart ppl made. Either way, start point is the defintions, otherwise all that follows is gibberish with no foundation

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Dark matter is a mathematical concept like Infinity might be. There are portions of the universe we know have large gravitational pulls but afaik nothing exists there. Does this mean our math is wrong? I think saying infinity = infinity + 1 is just a false understanding of how numbers work, and they’re not truly never ending, we just don’t have the answer. So +1 would be greater if we find what infinity goes to.

I am not an expert, or a smart person, nor ever asked anyone to come leave comments. I do enjoy talking about this kind of stuff, even if I do a bad job at it. Just a human thing to be curious, even about subjects I have basically 0 concept of

I think saying infinity = infinity + 1 is just a false understanding of how numbers work, and they’re not truly never ending, we just don’t have the answer.

The difference between the infinity topic and the dark matter topic is that for the infinity topiic we DO have the answer
We literally have mathematical proof for this.

lets go through this step by step then:

definition cardinality:
Two sets have the same cardinality if there exists a bijection from ⁠
A to B.

so lets define our infinite sets:
N = natural numbers = {1, 2, 3, ....}
Nw = natural numbers but with extra element = {w, 1, 2, 3, ....}

for any set A, |A| is the cardinality of A

Given our definitions of N and Nw, it is obvious that |Nw| = |N| + 1, and |N| = countable infinite

so if we no proof |Nw| = |N|, then it follows that infinity = infinity + 1

for this, all we need is our bijection. We can simply define one and be done:

b: N -> Nw, b(x) = x - 1 if x > 1, b(x) = w if x = 1

and das it

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You may be done but people like me and Terrance Howard will keep fighting the good fight

Lol wtf Tacky. You started with misunderstanding infinity concept and ended up talking woowoo about dark matter.

Please save me from this discussion.

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Dark matter is proof our math is wrong. Infinity is proof we have a failed concept of numbers. Maybe the solution for both is the same. Maybe I’m woo woo. Well I’m most definitely woowoo ;)

Everything you said in this thread should be deleted from the internet.

There are stupid questions, but no bad questions !

There are no bad questions if you ask them somewhere more private. But if you are willing to do it wherever you feel like it, then please do some research first and respect the subject. There are too many science illiterates already and we don’t need more of this woowoo accessible to public.

Censorship 😁 if you want people educated then educate them

Kind of the whole point right? I feel Giantfrog did a good job but tbh idk

The problem is that you didn’t listen to him. He tried to explain it like 5 times and you smashed everything into some bizarre soup of misconceptions of math and physics itself.

i think you are wrong with the infinity concept. Inf + 1 is not infinity . It is another infinity.
That is explained in: Inf +1= Inf, that is wrong, because Inf-Inf=1, so 0=1. That is imposible so Inf+1 is not infinity, in fact inf+1 is another type of infinity.

i think you are wrong with the infinity concept. Inf + 1 is not infinity . It is another infinity.
That is explained in: Inf +1= Inf, that is wrong, because Inf-Inf=1, so 0=1. That is imposible so Inf+1 is not infinity, in fact inf+1 is another type of infinity.

You are doing the same mistake of treating infinity as just a large number.
inf - inf is not defined. Its neither 1 or 0.
You cant expect our operators (+,*,-,/) to always work with infinity, as these operators are only well defined for members of the given mathematical structure they were defined for. When nothing else is specified, we usually take the operators that were defined for the real numbers, which form a body with these operators, however infinity is not a member of the real numbers.

Please read the above proof to convince yourself that infinity + 1 is not some sort of other infinity.
I understand that for someone with no previous contact with mathematical concepts, it maybe has a few jumps that you d need to fill, but really nothing difficult is happening there.

I think you don't understand. If he spends a really long time planning delays he will outdelay the delay card, cause he's delaying for a really long time. I think he should try in a 1000 base income game to test it

i think you are wrong with the infinity concept. Inf + 1 is not infinity . It is another infinity.
That is explained in: Inf +1= Inf, that is wrong, because Inf-Inf=1, so 0=1. That is imposible so Inf+1 is not infinity, in fact inf+1 is another type of infinity.

You are treating infinity like it is a number, when it is not. It is the simply the concept of endlessness, trying to use infinity in algebraic equations just ends up completely breaking math.

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