personal take: the main reason why there wont be a consistent opponent is that the templates suck. forgive me for saying this from an alt, you can derive what's my main from my profile within seconds. there are days i can be online for 3 and 4 slots and theres 0 non small earth non local deployment template which is completely incomprehensible to me. i recall at one point we had for the course of 8 timeslots 7/8 include comld with each iteration existing for the purpose of appeasing to 2-6 players max.

it is baffling to me that there can be a 2day spree without strategic 2v2 and suddenly then have 3 strat2v2 slots within the same day. it is ridiculous to me that we didnt have a single guiroma slot for the first couple of days of the season. it is illogical to any extent and by any means that the templates what they are.

mbs is a pretty much perfected group of players that like to play the game daily and love the special templates clan wars offers. they are among the best at those. the issue is noone else wants to play these templates, not that noone else wants to win. if it werent for the system dropping from a 40 to a 25man roster i would bet noone would ever try going for first again cause why do so? ive seen days where the winkies get 10 easy wins on combomb on slot 1 and mbs lose to random turtles and masters on slot 6, and ive seen days where mbs get 10 easy wins on comld and mald and winkies are sniped by farcus, turtles and random variables.

the competition needs some consistency, whether thats on fixed templates, or on not being able to leave/join a template last second. and other things i cant think of. definitely not this circus of a free win hunt we got now as a new updat.

again, it is mindboggling to me that i can play up to 3 different slots on a random day and i excitingly open up the app only to see a combination of sead sead/se1w/combom/comld/mald on all 3 slots. infuriating. maybe i am a minority but im biased to my own opinion and think accessibility is the main reason clan wars is stale and wont have competition

It's not really a secret that SE templates always have the most players so yes, you are the minority.

No offense, just stating a fact :p

Edited 12/26/2024 20:53:00

I think part of the problem is that there aren’t that many templates that are good for RT play. The games just take too long. Biomes is amazing but lost the vote unfortunately. FB and Guiroma were excellent additions, as is Volcano Island.

I’m more than happy to hop in a real time game on Strat MME but it’s a very real risk the game takes 90+ minutes. I had a CW game approach two hours earlier this season.

That’s a viable length of time now and then, especially on a weekend. But that can’t be a daily activity…

The game is better for multi-day play or occasional RT play. Daily RT play is just too aggressive for many, unless you choose a “bad” template like ComBomb or SE1W

rento i think, i think, i mentioned some templates besides small earth and their frequency compared to the non small earth templates

i dont mean to label templates as good or bad. some fixed format of templates would solve the scheduling issues. you want to play se1w sure, we'll have that on x slot and on x slot. you want french brawl, sure there you go. now theres days with 3 s2v2 slots per day and then a 3day gap with no s2v2 at all. none of these are healthy for the game

Edited 12/26/2024 21:00:22

like for christ's sake we've had slots like these:
https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=58&Timeslot=8321 for 6th slot with sead, comld, mald, combomb
and https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=58&Timeslot=8297 6th again combomb, mald, se1w, sead
and then the complete opposite https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=58&Timeslot=8303 again 6th slot volcano, combomb, comld, s2v2

all 3 of these scenarios for a 6th slot are equally messed up for the last slot of the day

I love MALD as a CW template. I’m trash at it but the skill ceiling is insanely high and the games almost always finish in a reasonable amount of time. It’s a fantastic option.

ask texx about his game vs grandpa that started the games of the year harmony forum.

its still local deployment, games either finish fast due to someone outpicking the other or last way too long. my point is that imagine you are a european middle age guy and can only play slots 5-6 cause its afternoon evening and you hop in to see three small earth clones and multi attack local deployment. why bother playing again with that pool?

and because the randomised pool works in such a ridiculous way, you can have one day 3 small earth clones + mald and the other day volcano island, combomb, comld and s2v2 - no love for the sead/se1w players who are the biggest cw group out there.

from a competitive standpoint, why would I bother if I can mostly play slot 6 and the pool's variation is the above. notice the 2 last links are a day apart

floor dancer, i don’t think this is the pr. cw was intended for all not just strat and elite players. as leon said and yourself iirc, mb, flex in particular, saw an opportunity and was first adopter.
now everyone else is behind and there’s a finite pool of players wt that caliber.

fizzer said the other day theres 2 pools of templates.

theres the common ones that include all small earth and all me and mmaeclones (s1v1, comld, mald, any other if i forget).
and theres the uncommon ones (fb, guiroma, volcano, greece etc). no idea tbh where s2v2 belongs. and he uses some randomiser. in this randomiser shouldnt there be some criteria to avoid slots like the ones i sent above? theres different ways to implement that. there's splitting templates in different pools, the small earth pool, the niche pool and the strat pool. theres also just an if statement in the template selection where you limit it to 2 small earth templates per slot with 4-5 templates, same for strat ones.

this isnt about the caliber of players nor labeling templates as good or bad, its about the player being able to schedule clan wars in their calendar without gambling every 4 hours on what the dice will roll.

if im a sead/se1w player and see a 6th slot of s2v2, volcano, combomb and comld i'll likely stop playing
if im a ladder strat player and see a 6th slot of 3 small earth variants + mald/comld, i'll also likely stop playing

Edited 12/26/2024 21:29:46

Due to having a job and a lifeoutside WZ i can usually only play slot 6, and occasionally slot 4 or 5.

Plenty of other people also can only play one of the six slots.

Scheduling templates per slot would suck for that.

Real life time restrains are a big issue for CW anyways tbh, I always play boring SE1W cause its quick, and others are probsbly going for SE as well for that reason.

Would be nice if the template pool wasnt split by easy/hard/suggested template, but by play time.

Then 1st template can be "quick", second can be "normal", 3rd template "long" and 4 and 5 can be something random.

CW needs more quick templates for that to work tho, atm only SEAD and SE1W (and maybe FB) are quick templates. SEAD is crappy, so that doesnt leave a lot of options.

I love this JK. We could have a ‘short’ template in each slot (for busy days), a ‘skill’ template in each slot, and a ‘team’ template in each slot.

Short templates could be things like SE1W, FB, Biomes, etc. Skill templates could be things like MME, MALD, Greece. Team templates could be randomly selected from any of the above. I’m sure there are other options as well.

It sucks to log in to the one slot you can play and see SEAD and SE1W as the entire slot.

...and a ‘team’ template in each slot.

Well the current "team" template favors Elites by a huge factor.
When MB is queued for Strat 2v2, in the last 1000 games in FiveSmiths Database (Seasons 53-55) here are the stats:

Win 18
No Game 0
Free Win 13
Loss 2

So out of 31 Slots... MB got 29 Wins. That's better than 93% win rate.

The fact is that over 58 seasons... it's determined that Strat 2v2 is so complicated a game that few can play it and dominate the rest. The Intimidation factor means MB gets over 1/3rd of their wins, approximately, as Unearned wins. That's DOMINATION!!! LOL

We non-elies need KABIX 2v2, we need Hanebu 2v2, we need other games that are not so complicated.

Local Deploy games have simpler math because of the limits of deployments, for example. So I hope you will suport Insertion of KABIX 2v2 and HANEBU 2v2 for example. Thank you.

Otherwise, Strat 2v2 is primarily a "gimmie" for elites. Whether that's morally right is a matter of opinion.

Edited 12/27/2024 02:21:06

i disagree. having played (and lost many to mb) 2v2. we need to play for fun, what we enjoy and forget immediate results. 2v2 is problematic but if more played it (it’s an excellent game) maybe someone would get gud and be invited to mb.

fizz likes the na sports analogy/system. let’s get a draft for new players going!

Here is the data for HARMONY 2v2... in seasons 54-55, Harmony played 12 Strat 2v2 Games. 1 win, 1 unearned win and 10 losses.

Feel free to play for the loss and for fun, but to play for the win, we need a variety of Team Templates. Thank you..

Edited 12/26/2024 23:21:38

Are you actually advocating for templates you can win 50% against Rufus on? What you’re describing is called Tic-Tac-Toe.

If you’re at the point where you’re beating Rufus 50/50 that means there’s nothing left to learn about the template. Why continue to play? It’s just a waste of time.

You talking to me about Rufus? Who is Rufus?

I am saying that Strat 2v2 is a 'gimmie' for elites, always has been and always will be. The data is pretty clear, when elites are playing Strat 2v2 they beat non-elites 99-100% of the time. Moreover, MB is only challenged, somewhat weakly, by other elites.

We need team games that offer competition, not gifts to elites.

I think i am being pretty clear.

Edited 12/27/2024 00:58:27

I expect elites to advocate for elite templates, they win at... and non-elites to advocate templates where we stand a chance.
I took the time to learn the LD games well, because the math is simpler for my limited abilities.

Some elites hate the idea of learning Kabix, a game that depends on gift cards, commanders, LD and a small map. It's great fun for many of us that love that game.

OTOH, 99% of us will never, ever excel at Strat 2v2. Its just too difficult a template. Why should it be the only team template in CW? Or even be in the Clan War? Its a gift to elites.

Edited 12/27/2024 00:58:43