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Xyapy, your blind love of Russia forces you to defend your country at all costs.
Yes, the Soviets beat Hitler (let's just admit that now) but that doesn't mean the British, French, and Americans were totally unimportant or inconsequential. Midway is vastly important. The United States sank 4 Japanese Carriers, so badly and permanently that the IJN could never again mount a serious naval offensive (besides Leyte Gulf, but remember the American force was much smaller). The Aemricans keeping Midway was not so much important as was what the Americans did to the Japanese Navy. 4 aircraft carriers and heir finest pilots at the bottom of the ocean.

^Blind America's love. America's introduction to the war was helpful, but the Australians were in stalemate with the Japanese, so were the Indians. The important battles happened in New Guinea and Azai Hind, not some islands that the Japanese pretty much gave up on. The only reason the aircraft carriers were sent there is because they were best used there.

Well, when you consider Japan barely recruited new pilots early on to maintain only aces, and that they had a hard time industrially,suddenly losing 4 carriers and lots of pilots becomes pretty catastrophic.

Russia would have found it largely difficult to win the war without allied help. They arguably would have been beaten. Have you not taken into consideration Lend-lease and other significant factors.

1,900 of 2,000 trains Russia used in WW2 were American, which was vital for transporting troops and supplies around the frontier. Furthermore 66% of jeeps used in the offensive against Germany, as well 12% of aeroplanes and 10% of tanks also. The most significant supply however was food, as the war Russian troops became dependent on it, eg American and Canadian SPAM.

Although less significant than Russian war efforts, allied military help cannot be cancelled out. The RAF bombed Germany cities to distract the Luftwaffe from the Eastern front and supply factories. And then Operation Torch opened up a front in North Africa in 1942 and obviously Operation Overlord in 1944. These pulled less pressure off of Russia and split the German forces even further. This combined force could not be beaten.

Though of course Russia did a lot, the most however was the sacrifice of the Russian people, at a very huge cost. Notable in Leningrad when it was besieged. However this was only because of war communism and the great terror and purges etc. that Stalin has forced into Russia. A truly horrific regime. Also his skill in calling it the 'Great Patriotic War' and reinstating the orthodox religion. Although, obviously overall the most significant factor that led Russia to win the war was the absolute stupidity Germanny and Hitlers mistakes on the Eastern front.

Completely true for the most part, but I doubt your sources.

Japan didn't need pilots, really. They were just for the half-assed war against America.

Xyapy, you're a true idiot. Japanese forces were overruning the Commonwealth and ANZAC forces (if you even know what that stands for). American industrial might turned the war in the Allies' favor, and as much as you hate to admit it, the United States greatly helped the Soviets through lend-lease.

I'm going to repeat every insult but make it even worse.

You're a true retard who didn't pass one education year. The Japanese never took Port Moresby (you're going to have to look that up, as your doltishness can't understand it, I'm not even sure that even when you look it up, you'll understand it, as account your being ultra dumb) and were stopped in May 1942 and started a slow push back by September 1942. I would love to admit that America helped, but I don't like admitting false things. America's help is comparable to Mongolia and Tuva's help to Russia - not terribly much.

You're truly an idiot. I have a 4.0 GPA in all honors classes, and history happens to be my best subject. And are you aware that I have written not one- but two research papers on the European and Pacific thaters of WWII? I am aware the Japanese did not take Port Moresby, but they did overrun Southeast Asia, Hong Kong, the Phillipines, quite a bit of the Dutch East Indies, and the Solomon Islands. The Australians were able to spearhead a counterattack, but partly because they didn't have to worry about Japan building an airbase in Guadalcanal and exerting control over the Solomons and American transport routes to Australia from the American Pacific Coast. And I never mentioned Port Moresby.
It's too bad for you there is no longer a KGB for you to discuss things with like-minded peers.

I would love to admit that America helped, but I don't like admitting false things. America's help is comparable to Mongolia and Tuva's help to Russia - not terribly much.

If you think that, what more could they have done?

Take out America from the war. Britain would most likely have fallen. Japanese Empire expanding. Africa and West Europe wouldn't need too much German Troops > more to the Eastern Front. Russia struggling with transport and food shortages. German Luftwaffe at its might on the eastern front. Japanese potentially could invade later on if Russia was winning. But they didn't want Siberia. If the Russians won, it would take much longer to do so and at a much greater cost of life and resources.

It's nothing to be proud of! You can be proud of winning the war. However Russia compared to the allies was a lot different in the sense of regimes. One was a democratic capitalist society who cared for its people and the other was a brutal communist regime that didn't. Lead by the most brutal murderer of the 20th Century...perhaps further.

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You're truly an idiot. I have a 4.0 GPA in all honors classes, and history happens to be my best subject.

Time to get a new best subject, since you're not good at it.

And are you aware that I have written not one- but two research papers on the European and Pacific thaters of WWII?

Time to get a new best subject, if you see so much information and still are using insults to try and further your argument.

The Australians were able to spearhead a counterattack, but partly because they didn't have to worry about Japan building an airbase in Guadalcanal and exerting control over the Solomons and American transport routes to Australia from the American Pacific Coast. And I never mentioned Port Moresby.

Air warfare was not really crucial to Japan - that's why they had so few pilots, though the ones they had were good. It was all about navy. And the Solomon Islands were tactically useless, so they weren't really tying their best there and building an airbase takes more than a few days.

Japanese forces were overruning the Commonwealth and ANZAC forces (if you even know what that stands for).

You're wrong, here.

America's supply* helped, American army certainly helped on the Western and African fronts.

One was a democratic capitalist society who cared for its people and the other was a brutal communist regime that didn't.

One side is true, one side is false. Come on, I thought you were smarter than this.

Japanese potentially could invade later on if Russia was winning. But they didn't want Siberia.

I think for this very reason, the Japanese would not invade Russia prolongledly, just take Primorsky and that's all that's really worth taking that's not too hard to take.

Capitalist governments didn't randomly go around killing it citizens or exiling workers if they broke equipment. Thats what I meant. Come on, I thought you were cleverer than this.

Few governments really care for their folk - and they do and did, perhaps not to Soviet Union's extent, but they did. I forgot what the operation was called, but the CIA was planning to do terrorist attacks on itself, frame it on Cuba as justification for war on Cuba. Sounds eerily similar to September 11 attacks.

Compared to Stalin's 20-50 million or so deaths he caused. Why are you trying to defend this? I do not know what operation you mean? Bay of Pigs?. But this is nothing compared to Russian brutality.

Nowhere near that number. The Purge roughly killed 1.5 million, and nothing else killed anybody.

I'm not saying Stalin was good, I'm not defending him - I'm saying that America is not democratic and did not care for it's folk (your claim).

Correct the purges were responsible for 1.5 million deaths. How about everything else then? Do some research. It's thoight to be 20,000,000 actually. But predictions do range up to 60...

I'm not saying Stalin was good, I'm not defending him - I'm saying that America is not democratic and did not care for it's folk (your claim).

I know but that's not my point...it's not even comparable to Russia. America was democratic and capitalist by definition.

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Famines happen naturally, Stalin was responsible himself for 1.5 million. The Goldomor, that was a tragedy, but it happened naturally (although Stalin could have done more to stop it).

What does by definition even mean here? No, it doesn't mean anything. America was undemocratic and did not care for it's folk, like most other important countries.

Ok you clearly haven't done any research. Here's some examples:
•Collectivisation (including famine caused by it) - about 10 million
•Gulags - thought to be around 5 million
•2 million died while being deported
•1 million German citizens and POWs killed

That's not the total figures.

By definition, "democracy is a government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system"

This was what America was...freedom of speech and private ownership etc etc

But America wasn't and isn't those things.

Collectivisation helped in the long term, and Stalin had no intention for the shorterm bad effects.
Gulags - the point is to keep them Alive to work.
3 - source
4 - well, German citizens, I mean, everyone was doing that - it was after World War 2!

And Russia was axiomatically democratic, too.

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