and i don't care if you agree with me or not, because i know i'm right.

What can I say.

@Pulsey Of course he's on the moral high ground. Even the religious zealots spewing their filth are being ridiculously hypocritical.

While they're more than welcome to hold their dimwitted views them vocalizing them breaks their own tenant:

Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.

Although vocalizing their views does make it much easier to write them off as a brainwashed idiot not worth giving the time of day, so there is that advantage.

Discrimination of any sort is never going to be the moral high ground.

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im in support of the wolves

Sup we shouldn't discriminate against insane people, and let them roam free?

We shouldn't discriminate against bestiality because it's their life choice?

Discrimination is necessary, not discriminating is as stupid as discriminating everything. Balance is necessary, and people hate change moreso than the issue itself. People don't want LGBT because it's not the world we grew up in, but for our kids it will be,and that's what scares most people on the homophobic side (other people influencing their child in a way they deem negative).

Edit : typo

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Discrimination of any sort is never going to be the moral high ground

I do agree. But I believe its not reasonable to assume that homophobia itself is immoral when there is still so much controversy about it. Homophobia is something people have no control over, sure, the actions and discriminations resulting from this can be immoral, but homophobia by itself is just a trait, a natural preference of something over the other.

I will use an example I read from another source : Say a man doesn't like girls with brown eyes. So when it comes to having a relationship, the guy displays aversion towards girls with brown eyes. Does this make him immoral? Absolutely not. Its similar to homophobia. Its natural (he has no control over his preference of girls with brown eyes) and it doesn't the man him immoral.

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>taking something bad and making bullshit

OnlyinChina™

>taking something bad and making bullshit

OnlyinChina™

I assume that was aimed at me. At least the people working in China are having jobs and making productive contributions to the world! The same cannot be said, however, for...

In this example does the the man display an aversion to anyone that is in a relationship with a girl with brown eyes?

If not it's a really bad analogy to homophobia.

@Lawlz. Dude you can't bash on people for being discriminatory then throw in racial stuff. That's just as bad, and it makes you the same.

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No no no, see it's fair because racism isn't technically immoral since it's a natural thought to hate other races.

@Genghis

Describe how LGBT people existing, doing normal things, and marrying harm you, your kids, the world, your life, or anything whatsoever. Please tell me how.

@Pulsey
Homophobia is the hate/disdain/fear of gay people and homosexuality. By itself, homophobia is harmless, yes. But when people apply homophobia to institutions,

Ex. Restaurants and businesses being able to refuse gay people, gay people not being able to marry because homophobia exists within the judicial government. People who are homophobic attacking people who are gay.

People in Syria right now, are being thrown off of buildings by ISIS, because they are gay. Homophobia is like any other hateful or fearful ideology, people can believe it, but when it is applied, or practiced, it is catastrophic. Meaning denial of human rights, like here in America, one of the better places to be gay. Or denial of the basic human right, being able to live, like in Syria or any other country where being gay can get you killed or "correctively raped".

Look at nazism or eugenics, nothing wrong there, until both were put into practice. Just like gay people, they simply have a different preference using your argument, with which I agree. Does that make immoral, does that mean they should be denied their rights?

Homophobia applied = Harassment of homosexuals, suicide as a result of bullying, and even death depending on the country or group applying the homophobia.

Homosexuality or Bisexuality or any -ality applied = Nothing bad, happy people in love.

@Lawlz

It's not a natural thought to hate other races...there's no logic or reason behind it. Most people DON'T hate other races.

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Yes Lawlz, we get that you don't agree with Pulsey, neither do I.

I can manage that without insulting over a billion people though.

Acting like this is going to disappear is the same as simply gritting one's teeth as you get called a fag in the public chat before a game,

Someone calling you a fag is not a hate crime. It's offensive and uncivil yes, but it's no better or worse than other insults and does not deserve a special category.

A group of forum-goers or general WL players should take up some sort of open-acceptance, for everyone, not just LGBT, and should stand against general harassment and hate.

Hate is another word that's getting thrown around way too much. You don't know someone's inner feelings, just because they are anti-gay marriage doesn't mean they hate gay people. (Just for an example: You can be opposed to smoking without hating people who smoke. Thus, you can be opposed to the concept of homosexuality in general without hating people who are homosexual)

Homophobia seems to be pretty straightforward, a hate/disdain/fear of homosexuality. A good defense against sort of discrimination is to act like a reasonable human being.

People have every right to be opposed to homosexuality, and just because someone is doesn't make them a horrible person.

>but homophobia by itself is just a trait, a natural preference of something over the other.

>No no no, see it's fair because racism isn't technically immoral since it's a natural thought to hate other races.

Do you understand my point now? -.-

@Eklipse

Read my above post, I mentioned nothing was wrong with homophobia or being opposed to homosexuality, but the line is drawn when human rights are infringed upon. You have your right to like or like not homosexuality, but when you are attempting to control or end the lives of others because of this, that's when it becomes unacceptable.

You only have two rights:

Not to die
Not to be tortured.

Gays don't get that in most countries.

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I'm pretty sure there are more than that, that the United Nations agrees upon.

So, no. You have more.

Now you're changing the subject, I thought we were talking about the behavior of players on Warlight? Have human rights been infringed upon on Warlight?

I have never advocated murdering anyone, and I haven't seen anyone else who has either. So I don't know why you're pulling that up.

The UN doesn't matter, these are your two rights, and if those are broken, you have right to cry and whine and write a book and say your rights are infringed.

The point is the comparison. The two things I suggested was a group of WL players form a group that believes in love and acceptance to counter immaturity and discrimination, and reporting insults/slurs. Though I'm not sure on the policy for what should and shouldn't be reported. I was also debating and countering everyone else I was talking to.

People shouldn't be harassed or insulted in general on Warlight. Again, the point is homophobia applied.

Simply banning flaming/harassment in general is sufficient. Homophobia doesn't need to have a separate rule, if it did people would abuse it just to report political views they don't like regarding the subject.