@ Жұқтыру

I'm guessing you live in a country where the inhabitants have very few rights. I'd suggest moving out of North Korea as soon as possible. Many countries are part of the UN, the UN has a list of basic human rights that it's member countries must allow for the country to still have membership in the UN. Therefore, the UN's list of human rights supersedes the individual countries list of human rights, unless the country guarantees more than the UN minimum.

So, in general, you have more rights. Were you being kept from marriage, kept from entering certain establishments, and harassed because of X trait you have, I think your tone would change.

Hey, if homosexuality is allowed, then it should be a two-way street. Not completely biased towards the minority.
If pro-heterosexualism was censored, that would be like giving the Mexican population of the US the sole right to vote, and stripping voting rights away from everyone else.

Austin, you have made a big mistake. You are now the King of Trolls.

I think you overestimate the power of the UN. Pretty much every country in the world is a part of the UN, yet several member countries abuse the rights and rules laid out by the UN in a grand variety of ways.

The UN is a great step for diplomacy, but it has little enforcement power and it's decisions are only worth as far as member countries are willing to carry them out.

No lawlz I do not. In fact I think you are just as bad.

If you want acceptance, you should be prepared to see people as individuals not denigrate an entire race because you feel one person from that ethnicity does not accept you.

Oh my god, it was pointing out a flaw, not actual fucking racism. His point of view can literally be applied to anything.

If not it's a really bad analogy to homophobia.

I don't really understand you. Perhaps you can elaborate?

I'll give another example in the meantime. Lions. Lions are carnivorous, they hunt and kill for their food. This usually involves violence and much pain on an innocent victim. Does this make lions immoral? No! Because being lions aren't a choice. Lions are born to hunt and kill.

Morality itself is based on virtue, and virtue doesn't exist without choice.

Morality is simply a distinction between right and wrong. It is subjective and relative, merely defined by society.

People, in my opinion, don't choose to be homophobic. Phobia towards homosexuals, just like my example of the man not liking girls with brown eyes, comes naturally. Some homophobics, choose however, to exercise bigotry towards homosexuals, such as harassment, and since harassment is generally negatively viewed by society, hence society distinguishes bigotry as immoral.

Regarding homosexuality, right now there isn't really a general consensus on this, whether is right or wrong, unlike topics such as toture and harassment. Hence its not reasonable to say that homophobia itself is immoral, which was my original point to Austin.

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Everyone on this page has made sense, except Colonel. I'm not trying to sound cruel, but I didn't get what you were trying to say. Could you rephrase it? The post above the King of Trolls one.

Did you read what I typed before that sentence?

"In this example does the the man display an aversion to anyone that is in a relationship with a girl with brown eyes?"

Your 'analogy' confused a person's individual sexual preference with an individual's belief that all gay relationships / people are unnatural.

So unless your person in the analogy also thinks that anyone in a relationship with brown eyed girls are unnatural, it's a bad analogy.

Pulseys analogy: "Say a man doesn't like girls with brown eyes. So when it comes to having a relationship, the guy displays aversion towards girls with brown eyes. Does this make him immoral? Absolutely not. Its similar to homophobia. Its natural (he has no control over his preference of girls with brown eyes) and it doesn't the man him immoral. "

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(now you see what I meant just 2 hours earlier, your post "has already derailed" as Thomas would say, congrats)

I usually blacklist and/or report homophobic, racist or other forms of clearly insulting behavior from other users i occasionally witness in warlight, either in games or forums.

*pats @Angry Panda on the back*

Did that feel nice? You want a cookie?

oh nah a bucket of popcorn pleaz

"I will use an example I read from another source : Say a man doesn't like girls with brown eyes. So when it comes to having a relationship, the guy displays aversion towards girls with brown eyes. Does this make him immoral? Absolutely not. Its similar to homophobia. Its natural (he has no control over his preference of girls with brown eyes) and it doesn't the man him immoral. "

Bad example IMO.

A guy not dating a girl because she has brown eyes is more akin to a guy not dating a guy because he's a guy.

I'm not calling heterosexuals homophobic.

When that guy refuses to speak to someone as a person because they have brown eyes, refuses to sit next to them on a bus, makes their life hell by insulting them, or passes them over for a promotion because they have brown eyes however, that's more akin to homophobia. Or at least to most homophobes. Some people are merely uncomfortable around gay couples, but don't see the need to vocalize to everyone in sight that homosexuality is wrong (in their eyes). They can't control the way they feel, they can control the way they act however.

I'm referring to homophobes being able to repress their hatred or disgust, not homosexuals needing to repress their homosexuality, their homosexuality harms no one, homophobic actions on the other hand are not victimless.

Nauzhor wins this thread, makes more sense than my arguments.

@Austin Williams

This is because Colonel "logic" equals that of Kentuckys Governor Steve Beshear, who claimed that the state's ban on gay marriage should be upheld in part because it is not discriminatory in that both gay and straight people are barred from marrying people of the same gender. It is an idiots statement, meant for idiots.

@Pulsey

You are smart enough to understand ska2D2's perfectly correct correction of your analogy, so give it a try. He is not concerned about homophobic being silently homophobic and keeping to themselves, he is concerned about homophobic people denying homosexuals the same rights they enjoy, just because they don't like their sexuality.
In your example with the brown eyed girl, if the man would equal a homophobe, he would deny the girl to be intimate with any one else (or other brown eyed girls) just because he is browneyedgirlphobic. His choice of not being intimate with the brown eyed girl does not constitute the criticism tolerant non-bigoted people have with intolerant ,bigoted people.

There's a special relationship between Kentucky and Colonels.

Anyways, in response to the heterophobes on this thread, homosexuality is an abomination.
There are two reasons. One: God told us not to do it. Two: It is not natural.

Point number two is the most important to explain, because you lot probably don't believe in a creator of the universe. The whole point of attraction to other human beings is so that they can have sex. The whole point of sex is to reproduce. I hope you know what reproduction is. If the outcome is not what the action was intended to achieve, the action is rendered pointless. That is my opinion, and so far nobody has proven it wrong. If you want to be a cheese-eating surrender-monkey, feel free to piss off, and I won't trouble you. If you wish to argue, I will destroy you in a verbal manner.

Your god also told you that pedophilia is cool. Why is this such a touchy subject for you?

Look at Africa and Middle East, those guys are reproducing like rabbits. Now they don't know what to do with all that human waste, so they threaten to flood the EU with asylum seekers. Get it?

Your god also told you that pedophilia is cool.

Citation needed.

Look at Africa and Middle East, those guys are reproducing like rabbits.

Meanwhile certain countries in Europe are trying to give people incentives to have more kids, what's your point?

I took the freedom of reporting you The Lord for calling people "human waste" to push some racist agenda.

Let's see if this can set a presedence for fizzer concerning how much racist inhumane behaviour polluting the forums he is willing to tolerate .