Anyways, in response to the heterophobes on this thread, homosexuality is an abomination.
There are two reasons. One: God told us not to do it. Two: It is not natural.

Point number two is the most important to explain, because you lot probably don't believe in a creator of the universe. The whole point of attraction to other human beings is so that they can have sex. The whole point of sex is to reproduce. I hope you know what reproduction is. If the outcome is not what the action was intended to achieve, the action is rendered pointless. That is my opinion, and so far nobody has proven it wrong. If you want to be a cheese-eating surrender-monkey, feel free to piss off, and I won't trouble you. If you wish to argue, I will destroy you in a verbal manner.

Can't really argue with someone who doesn't enjoy sex when it's not for reproduction purposes.

Thank goodness you are qualifiably enlightened enough to guide all of these lost souls and teach them what your imaginary divine entity perceives as moral or immoral.

Curiously enough in nature there are plenty of species who are homosexual, some of them even have 2 sexes. Wonder what makes gay and lesbian sex unnatural then. Thousand years of religious bigotry dogmas anyone? Guess burning witches is also fine and dandy, i mean, god said it was to someone who believed in it, at some point, no?

@Colonel

Verbally destroy, I don't give any authority or credit to any holy book, or any god. As I don't believe in any, there is no evidence to confirm that deities exist and no evidence to confirm that they don't exist. So, hopefully leaving religion out of this, prove to me with easily verifiable facts, or scientific studies that homosexuality is an abomination.

I have nothing against heterosexuals, I am heterosexual.

Following your point about "If the outcome is not what the action was intended to achieve, the action is rendered pointless."

I disagree about whether said action was actually pointless. Taking any "grossness" out of it, what is innately unnatural? Heterosexuals can have the kinds of sex that homosexuals can, and the point of sex for some may be to express their love for one another, or solely for pleasure. Continuing with the "unnatural" point, because the exact acts can happen among heterosexuals, the main part of the issue is that certain acts don't result in conception and pregnancy. In which case, can an infertile man have sex with his wife post menopause? Or can two infertile heterosexuals have sex?

If it's unnatural and your god doesn't want it to happen, why does he allow it to happen? Having the ability to manipulate everything in the known universe, seems like he could stop it anytime he wanted to.

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I'm guessing you live in a country where the inhabitants have very few rights. I'd suggest moving out of North Korea as soon as possible. Many countries are part of the UN, the UN has a list of basic human rights that it's member countries must allow for the country to still have membership in the UN. Therefore, the UN's list of human rights supersedes the individual countries list of human rights, unless the country guarantees more than the UN minimum.

So, in general, you have more rights. Were you being kept from marriage, kept from entering certain establishments, and harassed because of X trait you have, I think your tone would change.

Tshhhhhhhhhhhh

My country is part of the UN (and so is North Korea), and the seven basic human rights:
1. To have life
2. To not be tortured
3. To not be enslaved
4. To have a fair trial
5. Speech
6. Thought, Religion and Conscience
7. Movement

But the first two are the only ones that matter.

Also, there's no X trait, there's therapy to cure yourself of being sexually-mentally ill.
We need to start enslaving gays, that would teach them.

Citation needed.

Really? You could've just googled it there are plenty of sources. Even Colonel didn't deny it in his LGBT problem thread. But here's a link for ya: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Uswa_Hasana#Effect_on_Islamic_Morality

Meanwhile certain countries in Europe are trying to give people incentives to have more kids, what's your point?

Do you live under a rock? The world has a problem with overpopulation, not its opposite. The world population is skyrocketing. This is the general tendency, even if some countries have local shortages. Human need to reproduce is no argument against homosexuality.

I took the freedom of reporting you The Lord for calling people "human waste" to push some racist agenda.

Let's see if this can set a presedence for fizzer concerning how much racist inhumane behaviour polluting the forums he is willing to tolerate .

Hypocrisy is strong with this one. Aren't you the one who constantly creates threads with nude women, and then throws a temper tantrum when Fizzer deletes them? Aren't you the one who excuses suicide attacks on Charlie Hebdo and Jews on the basis that Israel and the USA are fighting dirty as well? Sometimes, I cannot help but think that your anti-Jew rhethoric would make Goebbels proud.

Any person with half a brain will understand that my comment was a criticism of overpopulation, not Arabs or Africans as people. Nor is criticism of your favourite religion anywhere near the same as racism. But it's easier to try and censor differing views than rather than listen to uncomfortable facts, no? :)

@The Lord

Lying your way out of this mess is possible the only exit you see.
Considering I have been called almost everything in my life and in these forum populated by adolescents, being called a hypocrite is fairly new.
If you would have read any of my comments and threads I made, anything really, you would have found out that hypocrisy is among the things i resent and argue against the most.

So please, link me anything that shows an anti Jew rethoric or anything that shows that I excuse the suicide attack on Charlie Hebdo.

Anyone that is not a cripple with only half a brain, but has a full functioning one, would agree with me that you made racist comments against Arabs and Africans.
I endure twisted bigoted comments all the time, but none of them are facts. Nor do I want fizzer to censor all those posts by people with below average intelligence, even though it would feel refreshing. But I do want him to make a stand when racism, homophobia or hate in general gets out of hand, as it has been in the forums lately.

P.S.: Overpopulation is not a problem, distribution of wealth is, always has been. Overpopulation is a result of extreme uneven distribution of wealth in third world countries. It is the price of social insecurity so to say. If you are really interested in facts, instead of your made up fiction, you should look at these links where Hans Rosling explains it very vividly:

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth#t-30860

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_reveals_new_insights_on_poverty#t-1952

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Considering I have been called almost everything in my life

I doubt it...

have you been called a cow, pig, bird, rabbit and Moskalin?

@myhandisonfire

What I said was that the governments of Africa and the Middle East do not know what to do with the overpopulation that is in their hands, so they do things like send them to Europe as asylum seekers. A perfectly sensible point. But you, being the mind-reader that you are, managed to discern the "real intention" of that comment, which was allegedly a racist one.

If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts, you would know that I denounce racism and homophobia in the strictest of terms. I regularly call out racists, homophobes as well as religious extremists on their BS. But do not let uncomfortable facts bother you. You *know* that my real intentions were sinister and racist. You could read it between the lines, couldn't you?


As for your Jew-hate etc, here some links:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/51845-israelipalestine-conflict?Offset=108

You paint the Palestinians as victims of terror while minimizing the suffering of Israelis. If that image is to be taken seriously, then Israelis being afraid of Palestinian bombers are laugable cowards. They must be imagining it.

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/51845-israelipalestine-conflict?Offset=7

Need I say more? Israel is a fascist state, elected by its fascist zionist nazi population.

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/69919-french-shootings?Offset=6

After Charlie Hebdo bombings, the first thing you have to say is that the west is full of barbarians, so the suicide attack was insignificant if not even justified. You go on to characterize people with differing views as brainwashed by western propaganda.

And last but not least:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/79349-illusion-military-power-carrier-fleets

You tell us, despite nobody asking, how weak the US military power is. Apart from your questionable argumentation, why did you feel the need to bring this up? If I thought I could read minds, I would say that you have a tremendous hate for the USA. But, I leave the supernatural to you.

PS. being the curious person that I am, I actually watched the two first videos you linked to. While his argumentation is simplistic, I won't deny that he is probably on the right track. Still, contrary to what you are saying, overpopulation is a problem indeed. Caused by other problems, but a problem nevertheless.

You paint the Palestinians as victims of terror while minimizing the suffering of Israelis. If that image is to be taken seriously, then Israelis being afraid of Palestinian bombers are laugable cowards. They must be imagining it.

Israel crushed Palesitine, Palestinians started it, but they got dealed much more damage than they gave.

After Charlie Hebdo bombings, the first thing you have to say is that the west is full of barbarians, so the suicide attack was insignificant if not even justified.

Well, it's small in the grand scale of things. Have you ever heard of Beslan?

Israel crushed Palesitine, Palestinians started it, but they got dealed much more damage than they gave.

Well, it's small in the grand scale of things. Have you ever heard of Beslan?

It's small in the grand scale of things, yes. Not denying that. But is it justified?

You see, anyone using even slightly provocative language when talking about islamic countries is labeled a racist when it comes to myhandisonfire, and preferably censored. Yet he reserves himself the right to use equally, if not even more, provocative language in other contexts, and rages at Fizzer if he deletes myhand's threads. He decided to report my non-racist comment as racist, while ignoring all the racism, homophobia, and religious bigotry that has characterized a number of threads in the last few days.

EDIT: @myhand, what do you think about the fact that Islam is condoning pedophilia? Don't you think it's a big problem?

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while ignoring all the racism, homophobia, and religious bigotry that has characterized a number of threads in the last few days.

Please list the racist threads you speak of.

It's small in the grand scale of things, yes. Not denying that. But is it justified?

Nor I nor myhand were saying that.

As for the first link:

As for your Jew-hate etc, here some links:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/51845-israelipalestine-conflict?

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/51845-israelipalestine-conflict?Offset=7


You paint the Palestinians as victims of terror while minimizing the suffering of Israelis. If that image is to be taken seriously, then Israelis being afraid of Palestinian bombers are laugable cowards. They must be imagining it.

No relevance. Not a single word of me condemning Jews or expressing "Jew-hate". I criticized Israel and fail to see how Israel sums up Jews. It might be the wishful thinking of Netanyahu that he speaks for all Jews, but neither he, nor Israel represent the international Jewish comunity or Jews in general.
Not to mention that I stand by all the points I made and I am far from being alone in the perception of Israel violating international law, comminting war crimes or having fascist tendencies.

No evidence of "jewhate", which means your accusation is a mere defamation of my persona.

2nd link:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/69919-french-shootings?Offset=6

After Charlie Hebdo bombings, the first thing you have to say is that the west is full of barbarians, so the suicide attack was insignificant if not even justified. You go on to characterize people with differing views as brainwashed by western propaganda.

No word of me downplaying the charlie hebdo attacks. I merely put them into perspective. If you had read the whole thread closely, you would have noticed that my post is a formal copy of another hypocritical outburst by another forum poster. It displayed the lack of condemnation of the western terrorism against arab countries by the media, the public or the forum. My argument was even clearer if you had read the following posts that can be considered an explanation to those that failed to see its intent.

Again you failed to provide evidence for an accusation made against me, again it was a mere defamation of my person by you.

the third link:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/79349-illusion-military-power-carrier-fleets

You tell us, despite nobody asking, how weak the US military power is. Apart from your questionable argumentation, why did you feel the need to bring this up? If I thought I could read minds, I would say that you have a tremendous hate for the USA. But, I leave the supernatural to you.

The third link is exceptional funny, because you didnt even accuse me of anything in this regard. So it is completely without relevance.
You didnt even accuse me of anti-americanism, but lets assume you did.
What is interesting in this regard is that the aircraft carrier in question was not only "modernized" for billions of dollars prior to the simulated sinking by an 38 year submarine, but all information concerning the incident has since then been taken down from the official french government sites. Isn't it an information worth sharing if the official channels consider it an information worth hiding?



As for the P.S. you provided, it is a good display of your arrogance, so I will comment it

PS. being the curious person that I am, I actually watched the two first videos you linked to. While his argumentation is simplistic, I won't deny that he is probably on the right track. Still, contrary to what you are saying, overpopulation is a problem indeed. Caused by other problems, but a problem nevertheless.

Oh a professor who dedicated his life to the analysis of data you don't even have seems to be on the right track. How generous of you to say, I bet he will be relieved to hear from your approval. Maybe you tell him in the future what he could do better in evaluating all the data you don't even have.

Second Edit: Added ommitted link

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He decided to report my non-racist comment as racist, while ignoring all the racism, homophobia, and religious bigotry that has characterized a number of threads in the last few days.

I decided to report you because I was disgusted by so much contempt for human life. It was certainly not the only thing that was contemptous in the forums, but it was something I spotted and decide to make fizzer aware of. Particularily since in my perception the forums have gotten really out of hand lately.

EDIT: @myhand, what do you think about the fact that Islam is condoning pedophilia? Don't you think it's a big problem?

As for my stand on islam, I am an agnostic and an atheist. For me religions are all fairy tales, no matter if they are judeo-christian, islamic, budhist or whatever else. As a practioner of any religion you deserve the same rights as any non practioner of a religion. The same basic human rights that apply for any other person. So if you decide you want to believe the bible or the teachings of mohammed over the ‏ألف ليلة وليلة‎ or the brother Grimms fairy tales, be my guest. You are entiteled to it. If in your process of practicing a religion you violate universal human rights as formulated by the UN charta, you have my condemnation though.
Religions and Religion wars in my eyes are nothing else but a quarrel about who is having the cooler imaginary friend.

EDIT: This doesnt mean that there isn't a political component to the Islamophobia we can witness in western media and a huge amount of hypocrisy against Islam, that is meant to stir unrest and fear among the populations of western countries and deviate the attention of the western public from the actions of the governments towards the actions of US sponsored terrorist groups.

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Another one of these threads....

Funny how you gave the impression that I only provided three links even though I provided four. Why did you omit the second one?

Oh a professor who dedicated his life to the analysis of data you don't even have seems to be on the right track. How generous of you to say, I bet he will be relieved to hear from your approval. Maybe you tell him in the future what he could do better in evaluating all the data you don't even have.

You really shouldn't accuse others of arrogance, given your track record. That said, I was not disrespectful of the professor's material. I just don't think that the title of professor or "expert" exempts one from being viewed in critical light. He basically says that fertility goes down by upping the percentage of children that survive their first years. It is a very simplistic view, but then again, he cannot be expected to explain every nuance of it within 10-20 minutes of talk.

One thing that affects fertility that he didn't mention is religiosity. http://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2006-013.pdf (page 16)

I decided to report you because I was disgusted by so much contempt for human life. It was certainly not the only thing that was contemptous in the forums, but it was something I spotted and decide to make fizzer aware of. Particularily since in my perception the forums have gotten really out of hand lately.

So was it racist or was it not racist? You say that I showed contempt for human life. The fact of the matter is that I used provocative language, like you do when you call people fascists, nazis, or brainwashed by the western media. And the content of what I said was absolutely true. These people's lives are wasted as they have no realistic perspective of ever contributing to the world in any meaningful fashion. They are born, they fight, they suffer, and then they die. It is you who has contempt for human life if you do not think that their lives are wasted.

Funny how you gave the impression that I only provided three links even though I provided four. Why did you omit the second one?

I overlooked the second link. It didn't prove any of your claims either. I added it in a second edit to my previous post. Try harder.

You really shouldn't accuse others of arrogance, given your track record.

I disproved your points on multiple occasions, while you couldn't present a single line of arguments backed up by evidence to disprove me. Given that track record any alleged arrogance on my part seems rather justified, don't you think?

One thing that affects fertility that he didn't mention is religiosity. http://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2006-013.pdf (page 16)

Had you really looked into the links i provided, you would have seen that he mentioned exactly that as well. There is a whole link about this topic. Are you deliberatedly trying to look like a pretentious fool?

Here is it again:

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies

So was it racist or was it not racist? You say that I showed contempt for human life. The fact of the matter is that I used provocative language, like you do when you call people fascists, nazis, or brainwashed by the western media. And the content of what I said was absolutely true. These people's lives are wasted as they have no realistic perspective of ever contributing to the world in any meaningful fashion. They are born, they fight, they suffer, and then they die. It is you who has contempt for human life if you do not think that their lives are wasted.

This does not reflect your first post. If you fail to notice the racism in your first post, you are beyond hope. Any subsequent strawmans you present won't change that.

This does not reflect your first post. If you fail to notice the racism in your first post, you are beyond hope. Any subsequent strawmans you present won't change that.

Haha, ok? You have yet to show evidence of any racism in my opening post. What you read between the lines doens't count.

Had you really looked into the links i provided, you would have seen that he mentioned exactly that as well. There is a whole link about this topic. Are you deliberatedly trying to look like a pretentious fool?

See, that's what happens when you give someone half an hour of footage. You should be thankful that I even bothered watching those videos. Do as I do, and provide textual material that can be read in 1-2 minutes. Much better that way.

I disproved your points on multiple occasions, while you couldn't present a single line of arguments backed up by evidence to disprove me. Given that track record any alleged arrogance on my part seems rather justified, don't you think?

To borrow your expression, if you fail to see any Jew-hate in those posts, you are beyond hope. Any subsequent strawmen you present won't change that.

EDIT: I'm off to bed now, was refreshing to argue with you my dear pretentious troll.

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Aslon was gay

Look at Africa and Middle East, those guys are reproducing like rabbits. Now they don't know what to do with all that human waste, so they threaten to flood the EU with asylum seekers. Get it?

reproducing like rabbits - comparing human beings to animals, clearly derogatory and dehumanizing

they don't know what to do with all that human waste - refering to human beings as human waste, clearly derogatory and dehumanizing

so they threaten to flood the EU with asylum seekers - comparing a elemental human desire for peace and social security with a threat against a political institution , derogatory and dehumanizing human needs


Three racist slanders in two sentences. Get the fuck out of here , racist boy.

Holy Hell, can't we all just keep our opinions to are selves? Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. Gays, lesbians, Bi-sexuals, transgender aren't harming anyone at all. If your a devote to your religion and you read it as one way, cool, but remember thats your own -PERSONAL- relationship with it. Everyone reads their religious text differently. Please stop making yourselves look like asses infront of everyone else. Its so not cool.

-Hermit~