also generalise is how british people spell it. And some other countries.
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120829064250AA3GwbM

Oh, I did not know that, my apologizes.

Dear Person-of-no-Rational-Thinking,

Might as well quote the entire thing or we will fall apart as debaters. Now, I firstly, I have to see in order to read my computer screen, secondly, I have no issue, it is you my friend.

Ermm, what?

I don't understand, nor will I ever, the point that you are trying to make. It would appear you are saying Catholics have little respect for their national government? If you did not mean some sort of anti-Catholic slander, you would never have said this in the first place.

Then why are you judging me? It makes no difference whether my family are Catholics, Christians, Jews or Atheists. I have Christian family, and the only difference between them and the Catholics are blue and green.

Europe: check, been there, Seen Warsaw, Lodz, Kiev, London, Moscow, Paris, Madrid, Nuremberg, Rome, Naples, and Madrid.
Never been to China, I hope I get to one day, however I was a student of Chinese martial arts for many years as a child, and I remember the old Chinese man very well, they are a people of respect and honor.

I didn't mean just fly in on a business trip or go to the capitals. I said go experience their cultures. You will find nothing about Russia by visiting Moscow a thousand times. Venture out.

Arabia is a place I would love to visit, I want to see Mecca, and Medina, and all the holy places of Islam, I have said it once and I will again, I hold all religions on an equal plain.
I cant really go to Persia seeing as Persia is Iran and they aren't fond of Americans.

Saudi Arabia doesn't let disbelievers into Makkah or al-Madinah, sorry.

Australia is close culturally with the US & UK

Implying the culture of the UK and the US are close... tomfoolery.

South America, I have been there, Caracas-(extremely dangerous) I have seen the Rio De La Plata empty into the sunrise, I have been to Santiago and Tierra del Fuego.
My "narrow" viewpoint is actually very broad and the result of my experience, and extremely rational.

How much of the natives did you actually see in any of these places?

Never implied that, However I am sure he was influenced by Jesus, they lived 600 years apart in the same area of the world, Jesus' ideals were floating around the middle east.
“Remember when Moses said to his people, 'God commands you to sacrifice a cow', they said, 'are you making fun of us?' He answered, 'God forbid that I should be so ignorant'” [2:67] That's the Qu'ran

What has that got anything to do with what I am saying? Jesus and Muhammad as well as all the Muslims until today have the same beliefs and the same deity. How could Muhammad have been influenced by Jesus when he didn't speak the language of either the Jews or the Romans?

No it isn't, I advise you to view an execution in America, there are a few that are public.

Yes it is.

Science proved that, if you want to know about this you should most likely, again, stop watching the news in Saudi Arabia and the UK. But You probably don't know about this because the man who spoke out against decapitation was probably lashed to within and inch of his life AND THEN decapitated.

You can't be decapitated for speaking unless you utter a statement of intentional apostasy.

No racialism here, just facts, there is a higher percentage chance that someone in a Muslim country will become radical than in a christian one per se. Take for example Italy, home of Catholics around the world. Do people here the pope speak against hate, and then strap dynamite to their chest and destroy a cafe? no, but when people hear the words of certain Imams they do this. Its a mere statement of fact, if you do not like ti, then change the way the people of your faith act.

It is the job of Muslims to speak out against the hate speakers. We call them "Qa'diyyah". They are the people like Bin Laden and al-Areefi who sit at home on a sofa telling people to blow themselves up and they'll go to heaven. They're cowards. They do not represent the overwhelming majority who are peaceful people.

"Security Problems" Is it because maybe you think that theres really only one race of people in Saudi Arabia? Arabs? the immigrant workers yes, but they live in their own towns, dont mingle a lot, maybe in schools, but in general life, they are rare. In the UK there is a melting pot effect, races tend to clash its something we see all over the world. Beliefs are challenged and the ignorant always resort to violence.

There are plenty of Saudis who are originally from India, Pakistan, Yemen, East Africa, Syria, Iraq, Burma, Palestine and Turkey. Get your head out of the box.

Again, it is generalization. Now I picked the safest eighteen nations in the area prescribed. I did not generalize, I based this off of facts. How often is there government overthrow? How is the crime rate, comparatively to their neighbors? Corruption levels? many other factors, they are merely the most stable. Quite better I would think.

Bring forth your facts, o ye of little brains or understanding.
It is not allowed to rebel against an oppressive ruler in Islam. Full-stop.

Well that's just not true. And I was talking about the nation you live in, which seems to have influenced you very much.

I have not lived here very long at all. Not long enough for me to change my ideals or be influenced by them at all. I have always been center-right, and I have always been Conservative.

Yes is does answer quite a lot I'd say, you are very much brainwashed an the reason we cannot debate homosexuality is seemingly because you view it as a myth, like a griffon, or a dragon. Its real my friend, there are hidden homosexual Muslims across Saudi Arabia, maybe your neighbor, maybe one of your friends? I do not know, but they are there, they fear to come out though because that country beheads people who they view as "sodomites'

Actually, most men here are slightly camp during their youth. A lot of homosexuality goes on, but as far as I can make out, it is casual and very bisexual.

"they"? He has a name, and though you don't know it, at least refer to him as "him" And it is not a gene that can be so called "passed down" view it more as a gene that is "mutated" they are not defective people, but there is something within them that just didn't connect the same way. They are people, smart, productive people. have some decency and respect.

I didn't say they weren't smart or productive. Don't put words in my mouth.
If you were being serious here, you must be completely off your rocker...

Its not nonsensical, you just continue to avoid the question. I didn't even know you could get Omega 3 in Saudi Arabia, isnt it sorcery?

More racialism. Stop engaging damage-limitation, and just accept that you're wrong.

You do realize that is a form of parliamentary democracy, right? They are close, but not the same, it is still a form of congress or parliament. just run differently in the way the representative are chosen.

Do you just like arguing about everything?

I'm talking about Saudi Arabia. closer, but not close enough to democracy to be free.

So basically you're using the outdated ideologically imperialistic "Democracy = Freedom" card?

And government and religion have no reason to be together. It is part of the problem with the backwards legal systems of the Mid East. There is a saying here in the US "separation of church and state" Y'all should learn it and maybe you could solve issues without threatening to kill each-other all the time.

Saudi Arabia is the Vatican City of Islam. That's how I explain it.
Also, stop trying to enforce your opinion on other people. Most Americans are under the notion that everyone gives a damn about democracy. Here's something new for you to wrestle with: They don't all share the same values as you. **The moment when he realised that he is brainwashed**

And you are right, the west may sexualize women, but they are equal, many women are in government, and one may run for president. In the Muslim world they are little more than servants and objects of amusement for men.

So, the sexualisation of women is okay, as long as they're allowed to drive cars?

http://www.theweek.co.uk/middle-east/60339/eleven-things-women-in-saudi-arabia-cant-do visit this
heres some quotes
"The country has an abysmal human rights record, particularly with regards to protecting women"
"When leaving the house, Saudi women need to be accompanied by a 'mahram' who is usually a male relative."
there's more too.

That's complete rubbish. Women only need to be accompanied by a 'mahram' to travel externally, not internally.

This is not propaganda, merely facts that your country's propaganda denies. Assad and ISIS are two separate entities so they will be counted as separate. Not even going to argue that.
I can see you are part of the problem when it comes to sunni/Shia relations. I may not think protestants are "true" Christians (I do, this is hypothetical) But I still respect them and treat them as equals. People are people, and no matter the religion, they should be equal. I know about the schism in Islam, based off a medieval power struggle, that continues to this day. You want proof of the barbarism of your country, here
http://www.quora.com/When-will-Saudi-Arabia-stop-practicing-barbaric-public-beheading
http://www.newsweek.com/worlds-most-barbaric-punishments-74537
http://www.westernjournalism.com/barbaric-muslims-sew-mouth-eye-shut-girl-professed-jesus-savior/

This last paragraph has shown that you are a Secularist. Disgusting.
I have no intention of infecting my head with Secularist propaganda.

Have a nice day,
HRHCPCH(TRF)

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Oh look, colonel leaving because of a "holier than thou" attitude

You're a transsexual Nazi....... how? how does any of that work?

Lawlz is a transbian... said it him/herself

Being a "Transbian" ain't exactly the worst part of being a transsexual Nazi lol

I'm not a nazi at all :L

And I'm not a transbian, I actually legit thought there was another transexual on the forums for a minute, and I was gonna add them to a skype group I run with a bunch of transgender, and pro-trans people(Of which some people are transbians, which is why I said "yay, another transbian"). If I was interested in women, I'd have no problem saying it.

Oh, I did not know that, my apologizes.
British people put an S instead of Z in that as well...
they also spell color colour

Since you wish to be nasty, I will return En Masse

Why do you believe in your heart that a woman should ever need to have someone follow her around to make sure she is "behaving". Now I ask, why are Muslims not allowed to rebel against oppression? That sounds like a rule added in at some point by an oppressive ruler. Also you speak of Saudi Arabia being a Vatican city of Islam, Vatican city is exactly that, a city, people who live there live there for Church business and to work in the country that surrounds it, Italy. Italy, mind you, does NOT live by strict laws put forth by the church.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/middle-east/60339/eleven-things-women-in-saudi-arabia-cant-do visit this
heres some quotes
"The country has an abysmal human rights record, particularly with regards to protecting women"
"When leaving the house, Saudi women need to be accompanied by a 'mahram' who is usually a male relative."
there's more too.


That's complete rubbish. Women only need to be accompanied by a 'mahram' to travel externally, not internally.

This is not propaganda, merely facts that your country's propaganda denies. Assad and ISIS are two separate entities so they will be counted as separate. Not even going to argue that.
I can see you are part of the problem when it comes to sunni/Shia relations. I may not think protestants are "true" Christians (I do, this is hypothetical) But I still respect them and treat them as equals. People are people, and no matter the religion, they should be equal. I know about the schism in Islam, based off a medieval power struggle, that continues to this day. You want proof of the barbarism of your country, here
http://www.quora.com/When-will-Saudi-Arabia-stop-practicing-barbaric-public-beheading
http://www.newsweek.com/worlds-most-barbaric-punishments-74537
http://www.westernjournalism.com/barbaric-muslims-sew-mouth-eye-shut-girl-professed-jesus-savior/


This last paragraph has shown that you are a Secularist. Disgusting.
I have no intention of infecting my head with Secularist propaganda.

Denial, not even attempting to make a case for yourself. And on the second group of links, you simply ignore. I'm sure you don't care anyway since it was a little girl who was brutalized, not a boy. I am no secularist, you are, and ytou continually prove it by saying I am but not backing any of it up and throwing Islamic, Saudi propaganda back at me.

So basically you're using the outdated ideologically imperialistic "Democracy = Freedom" card?

Its not imperialism, that would mean I am imposing democracy on you, or whatever form of government the imperialist nation follows. What I AM saying is that in a democracy everyone has a voice, where in the theocratic kingdom you live in, everyone does NOT have a voice, tribes themselves may have avoice, but the individual does not. I am not supporting democracy as the best form of government, however, I have yet to find a style of government that effectively gives all people a voice and allows for a society to advance with the times and quickly adapt to changes, much unlike the nation of Saudi Arabia who still rules like it is the 13th century, the only difference being your oil rich.

I didn't say they weren't smart or productive. Don't put words in my mouth.
If you were being serious here, you must be completely off your rocker...

-colonel

Why don't you let him rape you while you're at it? My approach is education. Help people. If this guy is going through mental trauma, give him support. Invite him round. Eventually, he'll get over it. If you let him carry on thinking that he is gay, eventually you won't be able to reason with him.

-colonel

Your words. Your basically saying they have mental trauma, which would incapacitate them from being productive most people would think. You view it as a state of mind and not a state of being. you are ignorant, conceited, and narrow minded. You have yet to learn anything outside of the protective sharia barrier you see the world through. You need to learn how to see the world with the eyes of someone who WANTS to learn, not the eyes of one who feels they KNOW everything.

Actually, most men here are slightly camp during their youth. A lot of homosexuality goes on, but as far as I can make out, it is casual and very bisexual

what. the. actual. fuck. Your ok with that, but not letting someone be gay? You confuse me, examine your own youth.

There are plenty of Saudis who are originally from India, Pakistan, Yemen, East Africa, Syria, Iraq, Burma, Palestine and Turkey. Get your head out of the box

that makes them NOT SAUDI now dosent it. You have no idea how nationalities work do you?

I have not lived here very long at all. Not long enough for me to change my ideals or be influenced by them at all. I have always been center-right, and I have always been Conservative.

Your views are damn near proto-Nazi, that's not center right, I'M center right, you are close to a fascist. I stand corrected, it wasn't Saudi Arabia that influenced you it must have been your household, which seeing your ignorance to the nuance of debate and world knowledge, must have been awful, seeing as you weren't allowed to rebel against their oppressive parenting.

It is the job of Muslims to speak out against the hate speakers. We call them "Qa'diyyah". They are the people like Bin Laden and al-Areefi who sit at home on a sofa telling people to blow themselves up and they'll go to heaven. They're cowards. They do not represent the overwhelming majority who are peaceful people.

you realize that Saudi Arabians in the government fund terror right? its a huge issue. Also, Bin-Laden actively fought in The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Do you not remember that? Do you not believe your king when he tells the people to do something if he isn't doing it? If this was true then your form of government would collapse in a week. Speak out against yourself if you need to speak out against hate.

What has that got anything to do with what I am saying? Jesus and Muhammad as well as all the Muslims until today have the same beliefs and the same deity. How could Muhammad have been influenced by Jesus when he didn't speak the language of either the Jews or the Romans?

What. Neither do I, but I have this amazing thing called a King John Bible, its in English. I'm 100% sure that someone translated the teachings of Abraham and Jesus into Proto Arabic for your people, Mecca and Medina were large cities even then, word got there. You defeat yourself with your stupidity.

I didn't mean just fly in on a business trip or go to the capitals. I said go experience their cultures. You will find nothing about Russia by visiting Moscow a thousand times. Venture out.

Do you want a full travel log? I spent over two years traveling like this, I experienced the cultures. I believe you need to "venture out" you live in a bubble and you are retreating from the debate and shirking questions because that bubble is fragile, and its getting ready to pop.

How much of the natives did you actually see in any of these places?

They are major cities, I saw lots of the native population, what kind of question is that? If I visit Rome, what should I expect? Martians?

Implying the culture of the UK and the US are close... tomfoolery.

Simply put, they are, US culture developed from the UK's they are close, the US shares more with the UK than any other country.

you have proven yourself, consistently, to be, Ignorant, childish, immature, unsophisticated, Secularist, racist, sexist, intolerant, hateful, rude, arrogant, and most importantly, a coward. You shirk the questions and instead attempt to nibble on small things, as you lack the mental capacity to respond to me with a logical argument. If you are so rational, why have to revered to merely calling me irrational? All I present are links, facts, logic, and all you present is a backwards middle ages opinion on the world. Open your eyes and realize that you are not the only person in the world. I suggest you go outside and get some of that hot Arabian sun, because I think its affecting your consciousness cooped up inside.

EDIT: Spelling error

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Can we kill the thread now please? :)

its turned personal

give me a minute to formulate my response

Note: That image was NOT photoshopped (apart from the Falcons stuff)

Dear Person-Of-Little-Intellect

Since you wish to be nasty, I will return En Masse

Where's the rest of you?

Why do you believe in your heart that a woman should ever need to have someone follow her around to make sure she is "behaving".

Quite the opposite. It's to make sure that other men are behaving.

Now I ask, why are Muslims not allowed to rebel against oppression? That sounds like a rule added in at some point by an oppressive ruler.

Because, as history shows, when you remove an oppressive ruler, the country disintegrates into a security nightmare and economic collapse as happened recently in Libya, Iraq, Syria, and more recently, in Yemen. Would you not agree that security and stability is more important than freedom?

Also you speak of Saudi Arabia being a Vatican city of Islam, Vatican city is exactly that, a city, people who live there live there for Church business and to work in the country that surrounds it, Italy. Italy, mind you, does NOT live by strict laws put forth by the church.

The Vatican City is currently a very small state. It has not always been that way, and, I'm sure, won't always remain so.

Denial, not even attempting to make a case for yourself. And on the second group of links, you simply ignore. I'm sure you don't care anyway since it was a little girl who was brutalized, not a boy. I am no secularist, you are, and ytou continually prove it by saying I am but not backing any of it up and throwing Islamic, Saudi propaganda back at me.

Don't send me links any more, thank you. It is a waste of time.
Also, the link I sent you was to a website of a person I know who lives and was born in England, and has never lived in Saudi in his life.

Its not imperialism, that would mean I am imposing democracy on you, or whatever form of government the imperialist nation follows. What I AM saying is that in a democracy everyone has a voice, where in the theocratic kingdom you live in, everyone does NOT have a voice, tribes themselves may have avoice, but the individual does not. I am not supporting democracy as the best form of government, however, I have yet to find a style of government that effectively gives all people a voice and allows for a society to advance with the times and quickly adapt to changes, much unlike the nation of Saudi Arabia who still rules like it is the 13th century, the only difference being your oil rich.

You are telling people that your ideals are better, and that your culture is better, and that your ideals should be forced on people who aren't you. Democracy doesn't even work in America. At least in the UK we have a true multi-party system as opposed to the two-party system the US has. Besides, democracy (or shitocracy as the Russians call it) was how Nazis took over Germany, and how Communism took over half of Europe.
The trouble these days is that so much of Westerners' lives are dictated by what they see on the telly.

Your basically saying they have mental trauma, which would incapacitate them from being productive most people would think.

I am being specific to their gender confusion disorder here, not other things.

You view it as a state of mind and not a state of being. you are ignorant, conceited, and narrow minded.

Do you mean to say that homosexual men are in any way physically different from heterosexual men?
I think most women would get an abortion if they were able to identify gay sexual orientation from physical attributes.

You have yet to learn anything outside of the protective sharia barrier you see the world through. You need to learn how to see the world with the eyes of someone who WANTS to learn, not the eyes of one who feels they KNOW everything.

I oppose Shariah law being implemented upon any country which it is unpopular in if it does not already exist. Even Muslim countries such as Egypt. I also apply the same to democracy or any other man-made law.

what. the. actual. fuck. Your ok with that, but not letting someone be gay? You confuse me, examine your own youth.

I'm not okay with it at all. What I'm saying is that homosexuality doesn't exist as a gender.

that makes them NOT SAUDI now dosent it. You have no idea how nationalities work do you?

I was referring to Saudi nationality here.

Your views are damn near proto-Nazi, that's not center right, I'M center right, you are close to a fascist. I stand corrected, it wasn't Saudi Arabia that influenced you it must have been your household, which seeing your ignorance to the nuance of debate and world knowledge, must have been awful, seeing as you weren't allowed to rebel against their oppressive parenting.

That is a description of Lawlz, not me.

you realize that Saudi Arabians in the government fund terror right? its a huge issue. Also, Bin-Laden actively fought in The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Do you not remember that? Do you not believe your king when he tells the people to do something if he isn't doing it? If this was true then your form of government would collapse in a week. Speak out against yourself if you need to speak out against hate.

Nope, Saudi Arabia does not fund terrorists who are trying to destroy them.

Don't send me links any more, thank you. It is a waste of time.

The Vatican City is currently a very small state. It has not always been that way, and, I'm sure, won't always remain so.

Missed the point entirely.

You are telling people that your ideals are better, and that your culture is better, and that your ideals should be forced on people who aren't you.

He never said that, in fact he said democracy wasn't even the best form.

That is a description of Lawlz, not me.

Damage control, avoiding criticism

Nope, Saudi Arabia does not fund terrorists who are trying to destroy them.

>Muh country is pure saints
>No terrorists here, I sware
>theres not even any propoganda!

Bu-Di-b-wha-er-uh Did colonel really say he believes everything revolves around the earth......

Yes he did, in a private mail thread where he asked me what transgender is and why people feel the way they do.

I listened, and I agreed with half of what Lawlz said.
I really believe that transgender people do exist, however I am not so sure as to why they are like that, or whether actually changing their gender helps them in anyway.