What I have been trying to get across here, is that there is a Palestinian identity, Palestine does exist, and it is not just a bunch of Arabs who only claim to be a unified nation. Palestine does deserve to exist, and so does Israel, equally.

I was also just trying to inform people that there is a Palestinian and Israeli nation in history, and neither country is completely artificial.

The Palestinian state in history (Philistia) were Ancient Greek, but migrated to the Levant, and gradually become Arabic, and Canaanite.

I find it sad that these people refuse to look at history and just assume their Holy Book is the most right. It's like people who believe in creationism. It makes no sense.

actually, it does, in a philosophical way.

Also, evolution, scientifically, is not proven.

Evolution is not proven, but it is a million times more likely than any fictitious fairy tale, many call Holy Books.

xD

research the odds of evolution.

then research the odds of fairy tales being real.

you will be disappointed.

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Palestinians are Arabised Canaanites, and Jews are a split-off from Canaanites who migrated to live in Egypt.
They are more entitled to live in Egypt than they are in Palestine actually, as they have a much greater historical tie to there than they do to Jerusalem or Palestine. Palestinians are mostly Canaanites who were Arabised. They have cultural and genetic differences from the "real" Arabs, most of whom were descended from Qahtan, not from Abraham. Some Palestinians are actual immigrant Arabs from the peninsular, but they are generally mixed in with the Palestinians.
If you lived with Arabs, you would notice physical differences between say the Arabs of the Peninsular all the way up to Southern Syria, Jordan and Iraq, and the Arabs of the land to the north of them.

... Colonel.

This is the smartest thing I have ever heard you say.

Palestinians of today are mostly Arabs, do you really think they see themselves Canaanite? They touch the days of the Islamic caliphates,And Canaanites mostly extinct, perhaps only Lebanese descendants have Canaanites, and this also a minority
Palestinian residents of the Levant are mainly descendants of Arabs and perhaps Phoenician minority in Lebanon, or in Syria Aramaic, besides mostly Arab
There is a bigger chance that their ancestors were Jews than Canaanite

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Jews and Palestinians are both descended from Abraham. Palestinians are the resident Canaanites, and the Jews are the ones that fled due to their religion.

There is a bigger chance that their ancestors were Jews than Canaanite

Palestinians are both descended from the Canaanites and Israelis.
Palestinians also have a lot of various other Semitic ancestors, not Canaanite, or Israeli. Notably Aramaic and Phoenician.
Today Palestinians have an Arabic culture and language.
70% of modern-day Israeli Jews share a chromosome pool with modern-day Palestinians.
82% of modern-day Palestinian Muslim Arabs share a chromosome pool with modern-day Israelis.
The Palestinians and Jews are not so different as you might think.
The ancient Israelis, after beating the Canaanites in a battle, become quite good friends with the Canaanites, allied with them, and interbred.
Due to their geographic location, the Palestinians absorbed Arabic culture and linguistics.

The Palestinians of today ARE descendants of Canaanites, and Israelis as well.

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I was arguing about the distribution of genetically ancient, but you can not really tell the Jews to mingle with the Canaanite, what genes Jews and what genes Canaanites, not possible to know, and the Phoenicians are being met from Lebanon, after Israel conquered the land was left almost Canaanite just a few of the communes, so I do not think gene of the Canaanites is strong

Palestine was not simply "invented". Palestine have a very long history of living in that region, and so do Israelis. I hate hearing these "Palestine never existed" lies. Palestine did exist, but before Islam. That is why there is not an Islamic holy city, like Mecca in Palestine, because Palestine was invaded by Israel before Islam was invented.

The name "Palestine" was invented by the Emperor Hadrian 135 BC after the famous Bar-Kochba uprising to humiliate the Jews. The Philistines have long been extint since then. This uprising was lead by a wrong Messiah and after that the Jewish diasporah began.

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The name "Palestine" was invented by the Emperor Hadrian 135 BC after the famous Bar-Kochba uprising to humiliate the Jews. The Philistines have long been extint since then. This uprising was lead by a wrong Messiah and after that the Jewish diasporah began.

This was not the case.
The name "Palestine" was actually first used in the 5th Century BC, by Herodotus, born in Halicarnassus, Ancient Greece, a coastal city of Anatolia, when he called the area of Israel and Gaza "Palaistinē" (Παλαιστίνη) directly named after the Philistines. The Romans later, deriving their word from his, named their province of Israel "Palaestina", to humiliate them, after they crushed the Jewish revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba.

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Palestinians are arabs yes and Palestine from Gaza to al Baḥr al Mayyit, Al Quds, everything belong to the Muslim World. Israel is illegal and a warcrime.The Israeli state is a slap in the face to anyone with a sense of justice, the Americans and British supported a zionist movement to retake the Holy Land after the Second World War not through any actual right to the land, but rather as a shuddy attempt to compensate them for the Holocaut. Since then the state has provided no real benefit to the world and is essentially is a puppet state of the American government. Since it's creation the Israelis have consistently violated international law and would not have survived without the support, both tacitt and direct, of America, thereby greatly contributing to tensions in the Middle East.

What has Israel belongs to the Muslim world?
And I know that already in the Hebrew Bible they remind the people of Gaza as Philistines but I'm not sure from where the name...

In the Hebrew Bible they call the Philistines "Peleshet".

Pleshet called the place, and the people of the place is called the Philistines

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Yes I'm sorry I meant the place is called Philistia, and Peleshet, the people of the place is called Philistines, and Pelishtim.

^ Frankly this debate looks like the worst episode of The Weakest Link ever.

"Let's meet the team"

"Hello I am Ibrahim Al Hashem, formerly known as Taliban, I come from the United Arab Emirates, and I am pro Sunni Muslim, and hate Jews"

"Hello I am Elroi, I come from Israel, and I think that Palestinians do not exist and that they are just Arabs"

"Hello I am OxTheArtist, I come from The UK, and I won the debate" (Obviously)

"Hello I am Colonel, I come from Romania, and I sometimes choose to type incredibly intelligent posts, and sometimes I decide to make you wonder if my IQ is in positive numbers"

"Hello I am Tyrion Lannister, and I like to troll threads"

"Round by round, we lose the player voted the weakest link..."