He has explained how he will make Mexico pay for the wall. He won't just waltz up and demand cash. He will install tariffs, threaten to cut trade ties, etc.

It's not even going to be a massive wall. I swear, people have an image of the Great Wall of China with this topic. I can't see it being more than a souped-up barricade fence.

@Jai
Well, considering the US has funded many governments before, such as Western Europe with the Marshall Plan and sent food aid to countries to places like North Korea.
It isn't in the constitution, but United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. is a very helpful Supreme Court case.

Based on my skimming of US v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. it established 1) the power to conduct foreign policy as an enterprise of the national government and that 2) the President has exclusive rights to conduct foreign policy. In no way does this provide judicial or constitutional justification for the seizure of private property (income via taxes) and its redistribution to extra-national organizations whether they be international companies, foreign diplomats, or indeed entire nations.

considering the US has funded many governments before

Action does not constitute constitutional legality no matter the utilitarian or supposedly benevolent purposes behind it.

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Trump's policies have their good and bad, but the sheer amount of rage and controversy Trump has invoked from all these contentious PC liberals is very satisfying.

He has become so much more than a normal politician, but a cultural phenomenon in recent months, loved by many and hated by others. When you have people making petitions and skywriting anti - Trump messages, you see already how successful he is.

heres some inside information.

When George Bush shakes his intern's hands he likes to fart, and blame it on a "Mexican Barking Spider".

America's presidents have been gettings, worse and worse...

at least Clinton and Dubya could show some humanity.

I think Trump would make a horrible reputation for America, and is more dangerous than even Hillary.

-Welsh Knight

p.s. Grandpa might have to get his shotgun out

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^ You should not be proud of this Pulsey, it is a real shame that the future potential president of the first world power is that much hated worlwide, and for good reasons.

Bush was a disaster (worldwide the US reputation worsened at lot with him, no need to explain why), Trump will be ten times worse.

Tell me why are you always talking about PC, each time someone is disagreeing with you guys? It has nothing to do with this, it is just about some people that disagree about trump's xenophobic and backward ideology and signed a petition, that will nonetheless not ban Trump from the UK, that was just a clever move from these people to show their disagreement and make people discussing about it, so I congrats the British for this, and this is not a little thing since it comes from a Frenchman! ;)

Someone saying that he will forbid all the muslims looking for a new life to come to the US just because he thinks every Muslim is a terrorist is utterly stupid, God I thought one Bush was enough for you, but no you are keeping with a total arrogant douche billionnaire despising the poor and the lower middle class, ready to dismantle the few social improvements made under Obama (health care among others), talking rubbish like Mexicans are rapists and robbers (and if this wasnt serious and "humour" this is not even funny), seriously in Europe this kind of statements are considered as worse to some far right european politicians words. So where are your ethics Man? Think a little about it, and stop poorly argumenting with your PC thing each time someone disagree with you, this is even more ridiculous. And people ashamed and annoyed of this British petition really made my day here.

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what's trump got against mexican food? that stuff is great.

Someone saying that he will forbid all the muslims looking for a new life to come to the US just because he thinks every Muslim is a terrorist is utterly stupid,

Yeah, but he doesn't think this...

talking rubbish like Mexicans are rapists and robbers (and if this wasnt serious and "humour" this is not even funny),

*Illegal immigrants. He was talking about illegal immigrants. Half our gang members are Hispanic, and the majority of them are illegal.

seriously in Europe this kind of statements are considered as worse to some far right european politicians words. So where are your ethics Man?

Don't questions our ethics when the UK government is doing exactly what Trump is saying he'll do.

Think a little about it, and stop poorly argumenting with your PC thing each time someone disagree with you, this is even more ridiculous.

Make sure you don't take things out of context...

And people ashamed and annoyed of this British petition really made my day here.

UK citizens should be ashamed, because they are trying to accomplish what Trump wants to do, as their nation has previously done with many others before this time, simply because they have an unpopular opinion.

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It has got a lot to do with a country and people spoilt by political correctness. The phenomenon these days is the overwhelming grip of PC stopping people from making reasonable views and sensible arguments. Many are coerced into taking the moral high ground so that they can feel good about themselves, failing to appreciate decision making when they have no burden of responsibility on its outcome. Discussions are avoided on the basis of labels like 'bigotry', 'racism', 'fascism' etc.

When Donald Trump makes policies on the grounds of, in my opinion, security, it is immediately nitpicked and labelled as 'racist', with the actual aim of the policy (stopping illegal immigration and mass influx of potential terrorists) being ignored.

This is perfectly seen in your comment as well. Notice how you don't actually TELL me WHY you think Trump's policies are 'backward' or 'stupid'. You just shove it down my throat like its taken for granted. Darth Darth Binks lists some reasons why I would disagree with your possible interpretation, if you even come up with one, or do you just follow the masses when your favourite media outlet, be it CNN or Fox News, tells you what you want to hear?

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You say British people should be ashamed like the whole of Britain had done it when in fairness they hadn't.

Well the goddamn government is going to consider going through with something so stupid and hypocritical. I'd say that's something to be ashamed about. I'm ashamed of my government and people all the time.

One day, we will be able to detect people with fascism in their blood before they're born and we will be able to abort them.

Bush was a disaster (worldwide the US reputation worsened at lot with him, no need to explain why)

The wars in Iraq/Afgahnistan did damage U.S reputation signficantly, however it should be noted that those events were neither the first nor the last time the U.S has gotten involved in foreign affairs. It happened prior to Bush, and a similar policy was continued with Obama (Let's be realistic, Obama's foreign policy is pretty much "Diet Bush").

Let's also take note that under Bush the U.S actually had decent relations with Russia, thanks to Putin and Bush getting along fairly well for whatever reasons. Said U.S-Russian relations have fallen apart severely under the new administration.

Tell me why are you always talking about PC, each time someone is disagreeing with you guys?

We only talk about PC when people do the outrageous things like try to ban people just for having different political views. You always act as if political correctness isn't a problem because at the current time it benefits your point of view.

Someone saying that he will forbid all the muslims looking for a new life to come to the US just because he thinks every Muslim is a terrorist is utterly stupid,

The media always takes words out of context, and it seems you've bought into that. What Trump proposed was a temporary ban, and never once did he say that all Muslims are terrorists. What he essentially said was "I don't know which Muslims are terrorists and which ones aren't".

I don't support Trump or agree with him on this issue, but the crazy straw-men that Trump's opponents build get really annoying none the less.

God I thought one Bush was enough for you

The comparison of Bush to Trump isn't really valid. Bush would of never supported things like Trump's proposed Muslim ban, in fact Bush went out of his way prior to the Iraq war to state "Muslims are not our enemies" (Whether his policies actually reflected that or not is debatable but still).

seriously in Europe

The U.S is not Europe, it will never be Europe, many people here have no desire to become like Europe. Nearly in every topic you try to compare the U.S to Europe for some reason, and it usually comes around to you implying or outright stating that the European way of thinking is superior somehow.

Stop comparing Apples to Oranges.

So where are your ethics Man?

I don't see any ethics on Britain's part. I see blatant hypocrisy. Trump wants to ban people he doesn't agree with, the U.K wants to ban people they don't agree with. What's the difference?

and stop poorly argumenting with your PC thing each time someone disagree with you

Stop trying to silence people you disagree with using petty petitions and bans, and actually argue against them instead.

Also, you've already taken the assumption that everyone here agrees with Trump, which is a false assumption. Few if even any of us actually agree with Trump on this issue, but this is a matter of principle. It's about standing up for free speech and putting a stop to political correctness before it becomes too ingrained.

At the most basic level free speech is made to protect UNPOPULAR opinions, because nobody would ever try to censor what is "acceptable". Trump's words are indeed very offensive to many of us, but he was the right to say them because part of free speech is being able to say offensive things without getting banned or otherwise punished.

I really hope that the U.K parliament treats this so-called petition like the piece of trash that it is. Hopefully there's some sensible people in the U.K government who actually have a basic level of respect for freedom of speech. I'd probably lose all respect for Britain if this passed, which would be a shame because I really like the U.K and it sucks to see them become infested with political correctness.

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I support Trump.

The U.S is not Europe, it will never be Europe, many people here have no desire to become like Europe. Nearly in every topic you try to compare the U.S to Europe for some reason, and it usually comes around to you implying or outright stating that the European way of thinking is superior somehow.

+1 Million. Frickin brilliant...and well put I may add. This is the golden leg of the argumentation used by Canadians and Europeans to denounce American policies or positions they fundamentally disagree with. Its called cultural imperialism. If you think America is a failure or an undemocratic nation or a xenophobic nation precisely because we don't align ourselves perfectly with European philosophy, mores, and cultural attitudes then you inherently fail to understand the birth of America and what that historical narrative means to its people. You're elevating the position of Europe above America, an insultingly hypocritical action considering the supposed ethical and moral perch you stand upon and dictate to us what's right and wrong.

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Amen to Darth Darth, Eklipse, and Jai. All spot on. Trump is not my candidate, but trying to ban him for 'inciting hatred' by saying SOME Moslems are radical Jihadist terrorists and until we get it figured out we shouldn't let in POTENTIAL terrorists is crazy. Would you ever consider banning leftists for saying we should be worried about white men with guns? That is 'inciting hatred'. Or feminists who complain about 'rape culture' and how men are all evil and misogynist and call men insensitve. I just saw on Twitter (@Nero) that some Newsweek reporter posted this picture: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYC4tWfWsAAE0Bt.png:large
THAT'S inciting hatred more than Trump. But if it comes form the left, it's fine.

Britain will continue to be yellow bellied fools, unless Jeremy Corybn is in control with the Labour Party.

Not really related but
http://youtu.be/P979HaI5qlk

America had very 'European' ideals and it still does have 'European' ideals. It's just it has different 'European' ideals then most European countries.