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Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 20:42:49


SirSalty
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I'm pretty sure England's version of 9/11 was the 7/7 bombers, but alright.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 20:44:34


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I'm not saying America is evil, I'm saying that the people running it are evil warmongers who invest in the destruction of nations.

Wow you understand history then. You can say that about a majority of political leaders. Xi Jingping? Evil warmonger trying to take control of the South China Sea for China's own political and economic power. Narendra Modi? Evil warmonger trying to increase military spending in order to defeat domestic and international terrorism rooted in Pakistan. Vladimir Putin? Yeah we all know everybody thinks he's Satan incarnate. David Cameron? He supports and supported increased military interventionism in Syria and Libya.

Every world leader has a stake in the Industrial-Military Complex and every major military power is involved in the destruction of other nations. This is how history has always worked. There should be a balance between interventionism and isolationism, and in this point in time I don't think America has any security interest in protecting Ukraine, the Baltics, or the South China Sea. With regards to the Middle East the USA is only responsible for cleaning up Iraq since we broke it, but the Syrian Civil War is not our bone to pick.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 20:46:35


Major General Smedley Butler
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http://www.ebritic.com/?p=213256

The CIA went into Yugoslavia to destabilize it, not to prevent ethnic cleansing. And both sides committed ethnic cleansing, not just the Serbs.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

Asking for proof of guilt is perfectly reasonable when someone is asking you to turn a person over.

I have never seen evidence that Saddam wanted to invade Saudi Arabia. He invaded Kuwait because it was weak , had lots of oil and was in a strategic position. Saudi Arabia had lots of oil, but would have been much harder to defeat.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 20:51:37


Azraelkali53
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cata, conservative is braindead m8.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 20:53:46


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Of my gosh Ox, I aint reading that shit wall of words lol it just aint happening. We have failed so much aye? The ignorance of socialism....* clears throat * ok let us begin....


1: If you honestly think America has failed more then we have succeeded then you have never read a world history book, simple.


2: So Your basically saying that you don't care the united kingdom owes its existence to us? you would just like to concentrate on nit picking? Hmm well seems fair

3: " I don't give a fuck if The Houses of Parliament are bombed or some shit. In fact, Guy Fawkes should have done that, hundreds of years ago "

^ I knew this was coming XD

4:"wit, Wait, so it's completely fine to destabilise a country to the point of collapse, but it's not ok to say "Sorry, I fucked up. Let me help you get back on your feet."?

Wait, Wtf are you talking about?. I already said it was not right for us to get involved in things that do not concern us so saying " so it's completely fine to destabilise a country to the point of collapse, " is implying that I had made a comment supporting that point of view which I did not.


5: So far your only attack against me stating the historical fact that America bailed European asses out of trouble so many times its not funny, is that " you have failed "?


" Scotland was never invaded by the Nazis "

^ Yeah, But you must likely would have sided with them in order to get independence if they had...

* Runs away *

Edited 2/6/2016 20:55:03
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 20:56:56


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" cata, conservative is braindead m8. "

AH! My official troll disciple is here!
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 20:57:39


Major General Smedley Butler
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Ox might be a shameless Scottish Nationalist but I doubt many Scots would side with the Nazis.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 21:00:48


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" I have never seen evidence that Saddam wanted to invade Saudi Arabia. He invaded Kuwait because it was weak , had lots of oil and was in a strategic position. Saudi Arabia had lots of oil, but would have been much harder to defeat. "


^ Yeah we also never saw evidence that Hitler was planning on taking the rest of czech, but he did and even though Chamberlin and his cabinet thought it was a grave possibility, They never took measures to prevent it because there was no official " evidence ". Sometimes when you have a warmonger on the lose, you must think outside the box and consider that maybe, he will continue warmongering and Arabia was a golden goose

Edited 2/6/2016 21:02:32
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 21:02:27


Major General Smedley Butler
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That means that America is about to invade Mexico! We don't need evidence of any kind, we must act now!
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 21:05:02


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Yeah that is a very cheap argument lol for 3 reasons

1: We would not gain a thing from mexico

2: No international excuse because we are not like hitler in the sense that we care about what others think of us

3: No overpowering motive

^ Saddam and Hitler had all these three things to highly suggest they would invade Czech and that Arabia would have been Saddams next target

Edited 2/6/2016 21:07:46
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 21:09:32


Major General Smedley Butler
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Mexico has oil, drugs, more people, and plenty of natural resources to profit from.
We can just say they were giving nuclear bombs to cartels or some hogwash.
Domination of North America is a great reason.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 21:14:11


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^ still not answering the other excuse needed.


Anyhow I can not afford to waste anymore time on this thread debating people who I will never convince GD

Edited 2/6/2016 21:14:50
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 21:20:53


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Mexico has oil, drugs, more people, and plenty of natural resources to profit from.
We can just say they were giving nuclear bombs to cartels or some hogwash.
Domination of North America is a great reason.


Mexico is the North Korea of North America; in the sense that China would never want to invade North Korea bc they wouldn't want to have to fix the countries problems. Same thing with US-Mexico.

If the US invades any North American country, it should be Canada or the Bahamas.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 21:26:42


Major General Smedley Butler
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Nothing suggests that Saudi Arabia was Saddams next target. It was allied to the US, powerful and he had already gotten plenty of wealth from Kuwait. Saddam probably thought the US was on his side too , after the Iran-Iraq war.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 22:46:15


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Just to add, as information:
probably the worst period at the last 100 years of almost every country in south america were the " US democracy ": military governments (dictatorships) supported by the USA at the cold war that destroyed these countries..
Same happens at middle east today.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-06 23:38:09


Жұқтыру
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Wow you understand history then. You can say that about a majority of political leaders. Xi Jingping? Evil warmonger trying to take control of the South China Sea for China's own political and economic power. Narendra Modi? Evil warmonger trying to increase military spending in order to defeat domestic and international terrorism rooted in Pakistan. Vladimir Putin? Yeah we all know everybody thinks he's Satan incarnate. David Cameron? He supports and supported increased military interventionism in Syria and Libya.

Every world leader has a stake in the Industrial-Military Complex and every major military power is involved in the destruction of other nations. This is how history has always worked. There should be a balance between interventionism and isolationism, and in this point in time I don't think America has any security interest in protecting Ukraine, the Baltics, or the South China Sea. With regards to the Middle East the USA is only responsible for cleaning up Iraq since we broke it, but the Syrian Civil War is not our bone to pick.


That's why no politician nor government should be glorified. Americans, being the majority on this website (and partially of cultural grounds) glorify their government and politicians loads.

If you honestly think America has failed more then we have succeeded then you have never read a world history book, simple.


In 1775, a revolt began over not getting enough representation in the national parliament, and for too much taxes, and in 1783, the Britons revolting got their own independent country, and chose to make it on pretty unique republican and (somewhat) unitarian system, and loads of anarchy (the good kind), too. A few years later, another revolt began, over not getting enough representation in the national parliament and for too many taxes. This was called Shay's Rebellion.

America ideologically corrupted very early on.

So Your basically saying that you don't care the united kingdom owes its existence to us? you would just like to concentrate on nit picking? Hmm well seems fair


Er, what? If anything, it's the other way about.


Yeah we also never saw evidence that Hitler was planning on taking the rest of czech, but he did and even though Chamberlin and his cabinet thought it was a grave possibility, They never took measures to prevent it because there was no official " evidence ". Sometimes when you have a warmonger on the lose, you must think outside the box and consider that maybe, he will continue warmongering and Arabia was a golden goose


Yeah that is a very cheap argument lol for 3 reasons

1: We would not gain a thing from mexico

2: No international excuse because we are not like hitler in the sense that we care about what others think of us

3: No overpowering motive

^ Saddam and Hitler had all these three things to highly suggest they would invade Czech and that Arabia would have been Saddams next target


2. False flag attacks. And America does not care so much what others think - it doesn't have to, it's so powerful.

Mexico is the North Korea of North America; in the sense that China would never want to invade North Korea bc they wouldn't want to have to fix the countries problems. Same thing with US-Mexico.


I thought it was since China didn't want to get Pei'ching blown up by an atomic bomb (mainly, anyway). North Korea is tiny compared to all China, fixing it wouldn't be that hard.
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-07 00:13:42


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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Americans, being the majority on this website (and partially of cultural grounds) glorify their government and politicians loads.

Eh that's a generalization lad. Give me some stats or examples :P
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-07 01:47:52


The Mad Japanese
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If America leaves then Russia's going to expand its Influence into the Middle East
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-07 01:53:30


Lord Varys
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and how is that bad Mad Jap?
Should America Leave the Middle East?: 2016-02-07 01:54:02


GeneralPE
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"The only thing America should be doing is propping up benevolent dictators that oppose radical Islam. We have no obligation to "democratize" the Middle East, we have an obligation to our own safety and fueling radical Islam by destabilizing regimes is UNACCEPTABLE AND DANGEROUS."

+1, except for the 'benevolent' part.
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