Xpapy, if your calling Obama traditionalist, I don't think you know America at all.

I find it ironic that almost everyone EXCEPT the Americans on this *specific thread* are for Obama/Sanders/Hillary...

Farage is nowhere near a fascist. I call bullshit

Oh, Juq, we hate him too. Yeah, Farage is very charismatic which is bad. He gets support because he gets people enthusiastic and he makes people think what he is saying makes sense. Farage is a fascist, yes.

Luckily us Scots know what to do with him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10062846/Nigel-Farage-barricaded-in-Scottish-pub-and-rescued-by-police-riot-van.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ55ZJHllQ

Xpapy, if your calling Obama traditionalist, I don't think you know America at all.

I was talking about Trump, actually.

Farage is a fascist, yes.

That doesn't mean much considering how loosely the term is applied anymore. The mainstream definition of fascist at this point pretty much means "Anyone who is not 100% open borders and doesn't want to burden their country with all the world's immigrants."

Luckily us Scots know what to do with him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10062846/Nigel-Farage-barricaded-in-Scottish-pub-and-rescued-by-police-riot-van.html

-Accuses man of being a racist
-Chants "Go home to England"
-Protesters are part of nationalist movement.
-Nationalism is now acceptable because "Independence", but those England people better not do it.

Stay classy, Scotland.

I am really tired of the double standard when it comes to Nationalism. If an American is nationalistic, that's evil. If a Brit is nationalistic, that's evil. If a Spaniard is nationalistic, that's evil.

Yet it's perfectly fine for Scots and other regions with a separatist movement to be nationalistic...

Let's be honest Paugers you don't earn any money.

+1 Eklipse

That doesn't mean much considering how loosely the term is applied anymore. The mainstream definition of fascist at this point pretty much means "Anyone who is not 100% open borders and doesn't want to burden their country with all the world's immigrants."

Wants to grow the military? Yes, greatly. Wants to close borders greatly? Yes. Wants to lower public spending and make a flat % tax? Yes (but this is wonderful in my opinion). Death penalty? Yes. He meets most of the important checkpoints, the one thing he doesn't really meet is insisting on shielding Britain's culture.

That doesn't mean much considering how loosely the term is applied anymore. The mainstream definition of fascist at this point pretty much means "Anyone who is not 100% open borders and doesn't want to burden their country with all the world's immigrants."

+1. Calling Farage and Trump fascist is insulting to the people who've actually died at the hands of fascist regimes throughout the 20th century. Call them right-wing radicals if you want, but refrain from using hyperbolic expressions such as fascism. It would be like someone on the right calling Obama and Clinton communists. They're not communists and that's obviously a hyperbolic expression.

Cancer

Obama and Clinton are not far-left nor authoritarian (to extreme point), nor is really Sanders (when I say he's communist or the like, I'm exaggerating), while Farage is borderline fascist and Trump is one. And by your grounding, it's an insult to Jews to be German, or insult to Armenians to be Turkish. Fascism doesn't mean doing atrocities, as tribalism, capitalism, socialism, they can still do all that.

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Trump is a TRADITIONALIST????

Dont make me laugh, Xyktbpy. He's a political oppurtunist, short and simple.

Well, right now, he's traditionalist or so.

He's the Trumpcard to save America!
Clinton will just continue messing in the middle east and supporting Islam fundamentalist governments like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

"Wants to grow the military? Yes, greatly. Wants to close borders greatly? Yes. Wants to lower public spending and make a flat % tax? Yes (but this is wonderful in my opinion). Death penalty? Yes. He meets most of the important checkpoints, the one thing he doesn't really meet is insisting on shielding Britain's culture."
So, wanting a strong military, closed borders, small government and a flat tax makes someone fascist? Please tell me that was sarcasm. If not, half of histories govts have been fascist

Farage is borderline fascist and Trump is one

Fascism must be confirmed both in action and rhetoric. The case to call Farage or Trump fascists by rhetoric alone is by itself very dubious and on thin ice. Trump's previous positions and political affiliations should invalidate him as a candidate of fascism since he's held very progressive views on abortion and gay marriage. Less than 10 years ago he was a liberal Democrat and now you're saying he's a fascist. No person with that much power changes their ideology to this degree. He's a political opportunist and con-man. That's all. He's nowhere near the likes of Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Tojo, Ante Pavelic, Philippe Petain, Ioannis Metaxes, Miklos Horthy, or Ion Antonescu.

Neither Farage nor Trump have called for the death of non-enemy combatants and neither have shown radical genocidal tendencies. To elevate Farage and Trump to the evilness and hatred of the leaders I have mentioned does a great disservice and insult in my opinion to those who have died under Fascism's true banner.

I know what would be easier. Provide a list of quotes from Farage and Trump that you think evidences a sufficient standard to label them Fascists. That would be the best way to debate this.

Fuck, 4th page already, k, let's go
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@The Lord:

You just looked at the wrong place. A present example of authoritarian progressivism is the social justice movement. Another is Black Lives Matter. Their rhetoric might differ from the KKK, but their goal is the same: supremacy based on skin color, gender etc.

What the fuck did I just read? That's just wrong. Really.

Historical examples of authoritarian progressivism: fascism, nazi'ism, communism.

Still wrong as hell lol.
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@Eklipse {TJC}

The immigration problem I was talking about is both in law and in the people who apply the law. The law makes it easier for europeans to go to the us and get the green card, mostly because of the idea of reciprocity. Americans can go to europe easier then latinos as well.

The law gives paths to legal immigration and citizenship, but they're just too long and hard because of bureaucracy and immigration officers that really just don't give a fuck.
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@GeneralPE

But that's the point, even illegal immigration adds things to the country. Immigration isn't a bad thing and you shouldn't discriminate people. Just give immigrants opportunities and be sure they're gonna contribute even more to your country. In the UK for example, immigrants contribute with 20 billion £ more then they receive as help from the government.
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@OxTheArtist

Love that objective stance hahaha. It's funny how they think the democrats are socialists hahahaha. In France they would be a centre-right party really. And what bernie proposes is like, widespread already lol.
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@{BM}-Paugers

I'm not old or rich but I do hate socialism, fuck anyone who wants me to share the money I earn >.<

Yea, you're alienated it's different. Simple questions:
- Do you think healthcare is way too expensive?
- Do you think rich people, who become rich because of your country stability and laws should pay more then you in taxes?
- Do you think it's wrong for rich kids to have better education and thus more opportunities just because they're rich?

If you say yes to all of these, you're not a socialist. You just have common sense.
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@Eklipse {TJC}

It's not the same nationalism really. It's really more of an independence movement then anything lol. It's way different.
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@[AOE] JaiBharat909

I have to say that Trump and Farage are way closer to fascism then Hillary and Sanders. Calling hillary communist is to insult Stalin really...
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@Wohoo

He's the Trumpcard to save America!
Clinton will just continue messing in the middle east and supporting Islam fundamentalist governments like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

I happen to believe Trump will just invade the Middle East at the first muslim who insults him under his presidency.
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About the thread derailing, I think it's mostly because no one here has a membership. Love the irony, people defend the idea of not having Socialist governments, defend rich people and their privileges, but really I'm the one who actually spent money to the site. Oh, and if Fizzer gives members more privileges, I know who's gonna be the first to be complaining about it.

#Hypocrisy

Just ye meme so the thread goes back to anti-trump memes.

"In the UK for example, immigrants contribute with 20 billion £ more then they receive as help from the government."
1). I trust you not to lie, but source pls. 2). Does it take crime into account? I would rather live in a poorer country where you can sleep well at night then South Africa, where even if you have 2000 acres and a private army you fear for your life.

"I happen to believe Trump will just invade the Middle East at the first muslim who insults him under his presidency."
He won't. Congress and the public wouldn't let him even if he wants to, which I doubt he will.

"You just looked at the wrong place. A present example of authoritarian progressivism is the social justice movement. Another is Black Lives Matter. Their rhetoric might differ from the KKK, but their goal is the same: supremacy based on skin color, gender etc."
Tell me what about it is wrong? Look at people shouting down Milo Yiannopolous at Rutgers and elsewhere. Clear example of authoritarian progressivism right there.

"It's funny how they think the democrats are socialists hahahaha."
Did I miss something? Is Bernie not a Democrat? Or is he just lying about being a socialist?

"It's not the same nationalism really. It's really more of an independence movement then anything lol. It's way different."
How is it not nationalist? You simply refuse to see the facts before your eyes. I agree Trump is nationalist, I just don't have a problem with nationalism in and of itself.