So, wanting a strong military, closed borders, small government and a flat tax makes someone fascist? Please tell me that was sarcasm. If not, half of histories govts have been fascist
Yes, in the past, fascism was much much more popular.
Fascism must be confirmed both in action and rhetoric. The case to call Farage or Trump fascists by rhetoric alone is by itself very dubious and on thin ice. Trump's previous positions and political affiliations should invalidate him as a candidate of fascism since he's held very progressive views on abortion and gay marriage. Less than 10 years ago he was a liberal Democrat and now you're saying he's a fascist. No person with that much power changes their ideology to this degree. He's a political opportunist and con-man. That's all. He's nowhere near the likes of Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Tojo, Ante Pavelic, Philippe Petain, Ioannis Metaxes, Miklos Horthy, or Ion Antonescu.
Yes, someone else said he's a unaffiliated politic oppurtunist, that's why I said he is now* fascist. He's not commited to his ideology, but that doesn't mean he can't have an ideology. And frankly, I think he was always to the right to some degree, maybe I'm wrong there, though.
Neither Farage nor Trump have called for the death of non-enemy combatants and neither have shown radical genocidal tendencies. To elevate Farage and Trump to the evilness and hatred of the leaders I have mentioned does a great disservice and insult in my opinion to those who have died under Fascism's true banner.
Trump is for waging "total war" on Syria - killing the terrorists' friends and family. I mean, that's just f---ed up, I get that killing innocent civilians will happen anyway, but to make it official public government policy... Farage is borderline fascist, I said, he shows loads of things that are unfascist - he was against the war in Iraq and Syria. But he wants conscription back, and the death penalty back. And like I said, anyone can be a murderous atrocious genocidist leader, no matter what their party. Kingdoms, anarchists, republics, all these. And anyhow, frankly, I want to insult those under "Fascism's true banner", I'm no fan of Hitler, Tojo, or the Antonescu.
I know what would be easier. Provide a list of quotes from Farage and Trump that you think evidences a sufficient standard to label them Fascists. That would be the best way to debate this.
Or just tell you their policies that they have done, that would be the easier way.
Farage -
We...should...kill...every...Romanian...in...Britain.Trump -
No...Muslim...is...a...good...Muslim.The immigration problem I was talking about is both in law and in the people who apply the law. The law makes it easier for europeans to go to the us and get the green card, mostly because of the idea of reciprocity. Americans can go to europe easier then latinos as well.
Schengen site doesn't include America, don't know what you're talking about here (maybe you know something I don't).
But by your argument I can claim that Hillary and Bernie are "closer" to communism than are Trump and Farage which is an equally dangerous statement considering the millions slaughtered by Mao and Stalin in the name of communism.
Communism can be misapplied. Fascism can be misapplied. And now they're both half-insults since it.
Nationalism isn't all bad. Defending your culture and to be proud of your country isn't a thing I would condemn. But to defend the idea of kicking muslims out of the country for safety, defending more strengh when dealing with the chinese and say that america should be made great again, that's the worst kind of nationalism. It's national populism for real.
Nationalism is inherently xenophobic. It's awful and should under no settings encouraged.
- Do you think healthcare is way too expensive?
- Do you think rich people, who become rich because of your country stability and laws should pay more then you in taxes?
- Do you think it's wrong for rich kids to have better education and thus more opportunities just because they're rich?
If you say yes to all of these, you're not a socialist. You just have common sense.
Do not think healthcare is too expensive. Rich should pay more in taxes, but not unfairly more. I hear the phrase "flat tax" being misused often. Flat tax means that everyone pays 1000£, no matter how rich or poor you are. Progressive tax is paying tax by pourcentage of income. Socialist tax is paying tax by pourcentage, but make more pourcentage for the rich and less for the poor, since you being poor (and unable to get rich, unlike in capitalism) is what helps everyone the most. As for point #3, public schools, free private schools, scholarships (and in some communist countries, I hear they're needs-based, ugh) and the internet exist in every country. Not much (although I think some) help from the government is needed for poorer folk. I have uncommonly good sense.
Congress and the public wouldn't let him even if he wants to, which I doubt he will.
How many wars has America waged that have been obsessionally approved, something like 4 or 5? If he wants it done, it's getting done. He's president of America.
Is Bernie not a Democrat? Or is he just lying about being a socialist?
He says he is a Democratic Socialist - light socialism.
Trump isn't a republican either.
How do you think Trump is much different from the list of the Republicans?
Kill the racist homophobic fascist.
Isn't Farage for keeping gay marriage?
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