@Benjamin628

Yes there is difference. And that's the point. Being black and poor is to be double punished in the actual american system. I'll let some statistics say for themselves.

=> If a black kid is taken with marijuana, he's 4x more liquely to get charges then if he was white.
=> African-American youth unemployment is 51 percent
=> There's 800 thousand black men in prison today in the US. It's twice as more then India has of total incarcerated population.

I could still go on in stats and about how the system is racist by itself. Today, you're better off being a white poor then a black poor for sure, and that is a problem. You're not poorer of course, it would be redundant, but you are worse off for sure.

@Pulsey

To say that mexicans coming to the US are rapist, drug dealers and criminals, is a pretty damn racist quote for me lol.

Just admit that the candidate you are supporting is a racist biggot.

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#WhiteLivesMatter

To say that mexicans coming to the US are rapist, drug dealers and criminals, is a pretty damn racist quote for me lol.

What an embarrassingly inaccurate interpretation, and the epitome of my argument, quotes being taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted to satisfy confirmation biases.

First off, you'll notice the quote is 'Mexico government sending its people over,' . He isn't referring to people coming over here legally and on their own choice, to work hard and pursue a good life. He refers to people that are being sent over by the Mexican government, them sending criminals over so they don't have to treat them. He says that he knows this from personal experience with border guards. But of course you don't like to hear that.

He also says that there are some good people, but of course you conveniently choose to ignore that too. So he's saying there are some are good and some are bad. Doesn't sound very racist to me? To be racist he would be saying 'all Mexicans are bad' surely. Right now he is implying that 'rapists, drug dealers, and criminals' are bad. He's also saying that many drug mules are crossing across the Mexican border into the US, thats commonly known.

So instead of just saying 'oh... this sounds pretty racist,' why don't you try again and tell me ... HOW is the quote racist?

Just admit that the candidate you are supporting is a racist biggot.

Well, well, nice to see liberals being so liberal.

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The quote is racist, period lol. I think we'll disagree on that forever, but I couldn't expect less from right wing extremists. Facts doesn't matter for them.

And I don't think any other republican candidates are racists, just trump for real. If I were american, I'd seriously consider voting for Kasich over Hillary as an example .

What an embarrassingly inaccurate interpretation, and the epitome of my argument, quotes being taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted to satisfy confirmation biases.

The one having a biased opinion is you Pulsey. Trump made it pretty clear, this quote is not out of context since he clearly stated this and it is indeed a racist statement and the one still denying it is you. Get over it now.

The quote is racist, period lol.

I think we'll disagree on that forever,

Facts doesn't matter for them.

You have given me absolutely no argument for me to agree or disagree with you.
You lecture me on 'facts' but you don't provide me with any.
And the best you can do is 'this quote is racist, period, lol.'

but I couldn't expect less from right wing extremists

Meanwhile, you accuse me of connatating you as an 'angry liberal'.

And I don't think any other republican candidates are racists, just trump for real. If I were american, I'd seriously consider voting for Kasich over Hillary as an example .

And all this, topped up with a completely baseless and arbitrary analysis, like he was picking his favourite football team.

The fallacy of the 'Trump is racist' argument in its grand display.

Oh liberal logic.

I rest my case.

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The one having a biased opinion is you Pulsey. Trump made it pretty clear, this quote is not out of context since he clearly stated this and it is indeed a racist statement and the one still denying it is you. Get over it now.

I have already provided my own argument why the quote isn't racist. You nor TeamGuns have yet to do so. Are you going to do that, or are you going to start accusing me 'truncating' your words again? We all know your habits.

I can't argue with anyone who give facts, they must be liberals because I'm right and they're wrong. Damn liberals!

And now he's resorting to pointless one liner remarks because he's beaten and out of argument... but he refuses to give up his notion that Trump is racist! It makes him feel happy!

This is getting very embarrassing for you.

Edited 3/8/2016 13:23:11

Yeap, I'm the one embarassed here.

Trump said Mexico is sending rapists, etc, never said that the people coming here are rapists?

Edited 3/8/2016 15:06:13

And the Iran deal isn't bad. It's a good deal that will avoid iran from getting nuclear. And before you say I don't know nothing about it because I'm too liberal and if so I don't have brains, let me tell you that I've actually read a 30 pages report about the deal.

Just wondering, who is the author of that report?

@Zephyrum

The united states congress. I Read the short version, but I think there's a larger one available.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R43333.pdf

It's a good read, but you need to feel strong about it hahaha

Here is the exact quote:

"When Mexico sends its people," Trump said during his presidential announcement, "they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting."

With a hateful rhetoric and tone, his statement is undeniably coloured with prejudice and racism and offensive for the Mexican people, describing most of the immigrants as criminal, but give me any figures and serious analysis supporting this please.

'Trump is racist'

One thing racists always do is skew the facts and he has done it on multiple occasions with statistics that were totally off base, but this is how you stir up the right wing, feed them what they want to hear.
Keeping in your own biased judgement Pulsey you keep neglecting the truth because after all you never had any objectivity in any of these political debates.

But it's really better to be a white poor then anything else poor.

What's your proof for this? The race baiting and class warfare is really not appropriate for post-Civil Rights America. A black poor person = asian poor person = latino poor person = white poor person.

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But it's really better to be a white poor then anything else poor.

What's your proof for this? The race baiting and class warfare is really not appropriate for post-Civil Rights America. A black poor person = asian poor person = latino poor person = white poor person.

One significant difference is in the criminal justice system.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/141027_iachr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf

ETA:
Of course this doesn't mean white people can't be poor - it merely serves to illustrate that there are differences.

Edited 3/8/2016 16:29:58

Ok, from what I can tell, TeamGuns is getting cooked by Pulsey and should just quit now. Angry Koala comes in and makes a fool of himself: "With a hateful rhetoric and tone, his statement is undeniably coloured with prejudice and racism and offensive for the Mexican people, describing most of the immigrants as criminal, but give me any figures and serious analysis supporting this please"

First of all, MEXICAN ISN'T A FUCKING RACE. Now that we cleared that up: "With a hateful rhetoric and tone, his statement is undeniably coloured with prejudice and racism and offensive for the Mexican people". It isn't prejudiced or racist at all. Where do most drugs come into America from? Mexico. Who brings the drugs? People illegally crossing the border, also know as illegal immigrants. You use outlandish rhetoric: he said illegal immigrants, not immigrants in general, so "describing most of the immigrants as criminal" is a false statement. Finally, there was the part where he said "When Mexico sends its people", implying it isn't the people voluntarily just coming, but the criminals, drug dealers and rapists that Mexico is happy to have off its hands.

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Oh God, I feel dirty that I agree with Pulsey for once. I find it funny you're calling him biased and non-objective. You realize he lives in China right? You're the guys who live under the media that is explicitly trying to sell you the idea that Trump is Satan. You're calling him a racist based on 1 quote since you can't find another quote that will fuel your argument. Before you jump on me for being a Trump supporter, lol nope. I think he's a horrible presidential candidate, but I'm not stupid enough to think the dude is the most racist, bigoted person that the world has ever seen like the media wants you to believe. He's not racist. He's probably a bit bigoted, but I've listened to his speeches in context, he's just not racist. The bigotry comes from wanting to ban all Muslims from entry into the US until we can fix the system. It makes sense to create a ban for problematic countries until we fix the system, but his point was bigoted in that sense. The Mexican quote? That's not even close to racist. He made that speech after we caught 3 illegal immigrant rapists in California and info was publicized about illegals and their criminal record. Calling the sky blue isn't racism, it's calling the sky blue.

Do you want to know why both parties don't want to fix the immigration system? It's actually very easy to understand. Republicans actually tried to pass a bill through in order to secretly naturalize a lot of these illegals since they knew the Democrats would let it through as well. Why would you naturalize these people? Voters. Politics is a numbers game, and if you can ensure yourself a lead in certain areas, then you'll pass the bill. If a bill like that were to be passed, but obstructed by the Repubs, the Dems publicize the info and suddenly all of the illegals they just naturalize vote for the Dems. If the Repubs actually make the bill, the illegals they naturalized could vote for them (but would probably vote Dem anyways because Repubs are retarded).

So the media and the politicians don't care about the crime, drug war, or logistics of the situation, they care about how do we create as many voters to secure our party a lead. That's why this illegal immigration stuff is important. The only people with sense that are still in the race and actually care about having an immigration system that cuts away the criminals are Trump and Cruz. The problem is that the media doesn't even have an out of context quote from Cruz that could even be warped racist, and also they don't think he can win the nomination anyways. So they focus all their efforts on Trump, because he doesn't want to play ball with the political parties or media anyways.

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