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Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 18:59:49


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Beh, it's not a good thing anyway... It would break the nuclear peace we've had since WW2... Which is even a worse thing then the dead that such an attack would generate.
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 19:02:18


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@Kenny

where does he say that legal immigrants are criminals?


Is this irony?

Where does Trump say 'legal immigrants' in his statement? He said 'When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best'
I think you don't get it yet Kenny, I am not against policies regulating immigration, I understand the issue with a non regulated immigration, you know my country also faces similar troubles, the problem here is Trump spreading lies and truncated statements ('its people'). And some of you are enough dumb to believe in everything he says.


Do you live in a state on the Mexican border? I live in Houston, and get the local media outlets for the cities near me. I don't think you understand the extent of the illegal immigration problem. It's even worse that the politicians want to eventually naturalize these illegals


You are wrong, I perfectly understand the issue. You live in Houston, my hometown is located at the very border between France and Spain, it is a place where we also see migrants coming from North Africa. Constantly the border police find people trying to pass drug at the border. And the 'dealers' and 'criminals' aren't the migrants but European citizens or Moroccan nabobs and rich businessmen exploiting Moroccans in their country where cannabis plants are cultivated. I believe there is the same very issue in the US-Mexican border, and the 'criminals' aren't the migrants but cartels and illegal organizations from both countries, the criminals are usually living comfortably and do not need to pass the borders. The Mexican migrants are in their great majority poor people and families looking for a better life in the US.
What amazes me is the great intolerance from some US citizens, whereas America has been built by immigrants from everywhere and origin. This is why the US is a very particular nation.

@PE

You are calling in question the stats I provided, fine I have nothing against it, but then show me stats supporting Trump's speech on Mexican illegal immigrants (even if he did not specifically targeted the illegal migrants but the Mexican people as a whole) or on the demagogic proposal about the Muslim ban were he awkwardly confuses Muslims and terrorists.
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 19:20:39


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The whole quote comes from a speech specifically about illegal immigration, he makes no statements about legal immigration. He's talking about how we've had people who have been deported MULTIPLE times, and yet been sent back into America either by incompetence of our federal government, or knowingly done by the Mexican government to stop the criminal from re-entering Mexico, or both. He's not talking about the legal immigration from Mexico, and the entire speech makes that pretty clear because he points out specific examples of what he's talking about. (The rapist from San Francisco who committed a felony every time he was in America, which was 5 times. So he came into America, committed a felony, was deported, but made it back into the country to repeat crimes.. 5 times.)

To deny the Mexican Government plays no hand in this is also ignorant because we have multiple reports from our own border patrol confirming that both the Mexican Government and the drug cartels purposely send people in our country to get rid of criminals or to conduct crime. What is he misinforming people about? You can literally watch videos on this. My local news shows this shit happening on a daily basis. My state can't do anything more than what we're already doing to curb the issue.

When the Mexican Government is involved in sending these people into our country, they're not good people. Good people go through the system legally, or aren't sent by the Mexican Government/cartels. The point is clear that the problem lies within our relations with the Mexican Government, and our ineptitude to have a clear federal policy on how to deal with this.
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 19:45:44


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Sanders is just lying and trying to get some attention if he says the sentence stated as the
topic of this thread.
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 19:50:47


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The fact that he was specifically talking about illegal immigrants is not a reason to awkwardly draw a parallel with the entire Mexican population. The 'Mexican government' is not a mafia gosh, you still do not see the stupidity of Trump's statement? cartels and drug mafias have criminals from both sides. You know, Mexico is as much prejudiced as the US in this story, perhaps even more, because some rich businessmen are exploiting millions of people all over Latin America working for them because in their country they sadly do not have the choice to have a better life.

What Trump said is catastrophic for the diplomatic relations between the US and Latin America as a whole. And if you think that the Mexican state is not fighting against cartels and drug criminals, see the massacre committed by these groups and the Mexican police's heavy tribute, the prejudice you think you have in America is NOTHING compared to what endures the Mexicans in daily life, and we even did not mentioned other abuses you can find in Tijuana about prostitution and sex tourism or other crimes committed by wealthy Americans.

Since most of you are Americans it would have been nice to have a different opinion from a Mexican player (few are there sadly) about this topic, you would be surprised to see how much the Mexicans are struggling against criminal organizations, and offending or insulting them like Trump did will not help at all.

About illegal immigrants, like the Syrians coming to Europe, most of them are illegal but aren't criminal either, this shows the ignorance most of you have about this topic, they entered the US soil illegally because they had not any other way, legal immigrants are people who are qualified, immigration policies are hardened, you cannot start a new life like your ancestors had the chance when they decided to settle in America. Illegal immigrants are from a pauperised milieu, they have no background, no education and diploma, consequently legal proceedings for immigration are not offered for them.

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Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 19:55:34


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"The 'Mexican government' is not a mafia gosh"
True, it is a drug cartel
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 19:57:18


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You should get out PE if you have nothing intelligent to say here.
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 20:05:55


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I was referring to, you know, the Mexican regional governments controlled by cartels.
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 20:10:08


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Oh great show me your knowledge, and tell me how the US government is better.
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 20:11:28


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"The 'Mexican government' is not a mafia gosh"
True, it is a drug cartel


No, you were implying that the federal government is a drug cartel, not the regional ones. It's a contradiction, soon you'll say something else, and then another thing,... we've all seen that movie.
Bernie Sanders : White people can't be poor: 2016-03-08 21:31:47


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I was making a joke :(
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