Why would WG lower their join requirements if they need more quality to get back to A, not less?

As it currently stands, WG's stated requirements damages their own growth. This is easily demonstrable by the fact that competitive players, by the time they reach one of the following requirements:

A) top 20 seasonal ladder final rank/ B) top 25 1v1 ladder/ C) top 10 2v2 ladder;

will be in one of the following predicaments:

1. They'll already be in a clan;

2. They'll already have decided they don't want to be in clans, or

3. They're alts.


In many cases, great players are built, not found. If WG is relegated, I believe this is a case study that proves its model of poaching great players from other clans/clanlessness is no longer as sound as it used to be, and that it should consider actively investing in the growth of players with high potential instead of taking in the players who have already become highly competitive. If they are not relegated to B, the model is still good enough to keep them in A-list status. We shall see.

Edited 6/2/2016 04:55:21

Here's an edited version of the scoresheet for group C:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13oARbSBQgtZFIVf66YWWeRMecl61dhdbrpKVdd-YaWk/edit#gid=1527788231

Also, the matchup maker for A is messed up for the 7th team. I fixed it on my sheet but just as a warning to people using the sheet.

Edited 6/2/2016 07:36:36

Smoove, it looks like your document was made private. I can't access to it unless I click on the "Request access" button... which is going to send you an e-mail. XP

I don't think you want to be flooded by e-mails.

Edited 6/2/2016 07:39:09

Ya i just fixed it

Nicely done Super Smoove, at least I have now a clear idea of who my opponents will be :)

Thanks Smoove! :D
(and ChrisCMU too :)

Edited 6/2/2016 15:04:51

(may contain lots of bias)

Used that sheet and got,

VS: 156
CORP: 150
MH: 127
Hydra: 104
BIA: 59
LEA: 4

keku desu

M'Hunters: 144
CORP: 138
Hydra: 125
VS: 122
BIA: 71
LEA: 0

is what I got lol

^ You probably underrated the hell out of VS because of unfamiliarity.

^ You probably underrated the hell out of VS because of unfamiliarity.

I'm pretty sure VS gets overrated due to unfamiliarity. I'm quite familiar with them:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9571652

@Semicedevine: Last time I checked I heard some "hopefully we don't get relegated talk" from the Lost Woves and now suddenly it's about geting first place. I like your predictions however, the first ones that make sense.

Edited 6/2/2016 18:45:14

@Semicedevine

How inactive we were. We have completed a line up and actually about to beef it up some more with the inclusion of Gulius Jäsar and Materij.

Edited 6/26/2016 23:50:34

^ You probably underrated the hell out of VS because of unfamiliarity.

It is true. I still stand by my predictions from my first post because what do I know. :P

Last time I checked I heard some "hopefully we don't get relegated talk" from the Lost Woves and now suddenly it's about geting first place

But that was when TLW was still in the same division as CORP, Hydra and M'H... quite a different point of comparison, you know.

@Norman... don't you want to show the rest of your games? https://www.warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=11382

summary of the predictions i've seen so far:

Group A:
The battle for first place will be between Apex and Masters followed by French and GG fighting for 3rd and 4th place. After that the other 3 clans will be fighting against relegation.

Group B:
101st, Blitz and ONE will be fighting for the 2 promotion positions and after that it will be a fight between REGL, SNinja and VIW to avoid relegation which is what will be happening with Stahl most likely.

Group C:
Hydra, CORP, VS and MHunters seem to be competing for the promotions and the other 2 clans just have to cause upsets to avoid relegation mainly from what i've seen in the predictions.

I'm personally only following those 3 groups so i'm not going further in on what i've seen on Groups D and E but if someone else would summarize it in another way just say so if you want your voice to be heard.

Edited 6/2/2016 20:45:12

Ying Yang still haven't published their lineup? There's less than a day left before you can edit your predictions, haha.

Ying Yang still haven't published their lineup?

They are not going to play this season.

Edited 6/5/2016 05:52:06

1-2: Masters or GG
3. Apex
4. Turtles
5-7: French, WG, Lynx (no specific order)

1-2: I wouldn't be surprised if GG wins. But Masters seems to have slightly better depth. GG is underestimated.

3: Apex will have problems with Strat ME and Great Lakes team games. But clearly there are three top teams (Masters, GG, Apex) and four others fighting for 4-7.

4: Turtles are underestimated. They are on the cusp of being a top 3 clan.

5-7: French lack depth; puppeting could make up for this. With a little luck, WG could come in fourth, but I think Turtles has more depth. Lynx might come in 6th, just ahead of whichever team gets booted the most.

Edited 6/5/2016 05:19:27

If one clan from C (Ying Yang) doesn't participate, does that mean a clan from D will promote automatically?

A:

1. GG
2. Turtles
3. Apex
4. Master
5. WG
6. French
7. Lynx

I judge by my personal expierences from games, played with members of those clans. The most tough and strongest for me were always GG. Players from GG, which I know pretty well (ollie, Motoki, FlyingBender, Peixoto) play always on the highest level. Despite of my personal preferences to Masters (I really do like Ryiro and Master Atom) they seem weaker to me this season.

B:

1. ONE!
2. Blitz
3. VIW
4. LREG
5. 101st
6. SNinja
7. Stahlgewittern

I am not too familiar with these clans, but considering the ladder, there will be some concurence between ONE! and Blitz

C:

1. M'Hunters
2. VS
3. CORP
4. Hydra
5. BIA
6. LEA

Well, with all respect and no arrogancy, seriously guys, look at our roster. This is at least the B-Devision fighters. Hydra has skilled players indeed, but CORP and VS has more expierence after CL7 in tough D-Devision.

D:

1. Olympus
2. TLW
3. TJC
4. HAWKS
...
7. Poon Squad

No idea about skills of players from FBG and Dutch, but puting Poon Squad to the "first" 6 places.. I have PoonCrew and QueefBall (their leaders I guess) in my blacklist for speedy booting and disrepectful behaviour, dont understand how the clan with such leaders can manage to win smth(*). However I will be really glad if they surpize me and take one of the first 3 places.

*For those, who is not cool with any single person from our management - we have the Council which consists of 5 (five) persons and all decisions being taken by the majority of votes.

E: No idea, they all seem to me still developing

^I won't comment B, as I may be a bit handsided, even though I strongly disagree with these predictions.

Seriously, turtles 2? GG 1? Masters 4? French and Lynx after WG? Man, your division A is just, wrong lol.

Division C 5-6 is good, but anyone saying that one of these 4 good clans in C will win for sure is wrong. Everything can work out there, Hydra can pull a 1st just like VS, Corp and M'H can. You also lost some quality, even though proud Norman will deny it, with farah leaving your clan. He was definetly one of your best players.