@Melethron: except you still have the one person I was talking about (in terms of the alt incident) lol... it was very, very much relevant.

M'Hunters don't have a strong-enough code of ethics or enough respect for their opponents to belong in Clan League imho. You're the first clan I'd expect to cheat in a competition if they could think they'd get away with it.

I'm not doing this out of irrational hate. At first I respected your clan a lot, even though some of you are complete assholes. But then when your response to egregious cheating by a member is to straight-up not do anything, defend ladder cheating (from some of your members), and then max him out in CL8 with no reprimands, then to me you're a clan that fails not only at respecting other players but also at respecting the game.

Every time you get called out for something, you gang up and personally attack people. When I brought up AI? Some of you accused me of having it out for y'all. When I bring up anything else? Norman goes off on his rant about me and the "Lawlz clan". Really, guys? Is this the kind of clan you want to belong to? Is this the kind of culture you think reflects your best? Is this the kind of impact you want to have on the community?

This is directly relevant to the division because this division is where you're having a known, super-egregious cheater compete for you while you claim to have cleaned up house. Go ahead and say I have no life- that can't do anything because I know it to be untrue; I'm not going to stop bringing it up as long as you guys fail as a clan. You guys just straight-up don't belong in the wider community until you become a more responsible clan and actually think about the sort of behavior you constantly excuse and promote. Skill is not an excuse.

Edited 7/20/2016 20:50:22

Gosh kynte fuck off


Guys before anyone believes kynte's baseless accusetions, you shold consider that he pours his milk on top of his cereal like a savage. He also gives out Butterfingers to childron who trick or treat at his house on Halloween and I don like him. He is alzo confirm Nazi soldier and fight for Axis powers in Worl War II. I also don't care about "Hell" whom we identified as Joseph Goebeels.

Edited 7/20/2016 21:13:40

Yeah kynte you should take this to PM thread b/c it's no relevant and I don't lik seing people say anything bad about my clan

we are highly skilled group

we win clan league

hahah

"the community"

Literally only 10 people are reading this thread on a regular basis. Before VS started posting it was just Hydra, M'Hunters, an occasional Ox, and your childish thread sabotage.

Chill out dude. Its just a made up game. Can't believe I have to explain this on a gaming website... When people like you stop having fun you are not only ruining it for yourself but you ruin it for everybody. So stop being so damn offended and loosen up a little.

Its a game. Not the key to your porn stash.

Now, who wants pictures of cats playing the piano?

Edited 7/20/2016 21:15:51

I like knyte's / kynte's last hate filled speech since it doesn't say anything about our clan but all the more about himself.

I doubt that to many players who don't know the facts are interested but if some are, here some stuff:

- Knyte is a former admin of the "coalition of role playing friends" clan, so he obviously isn't a neutral party at all.

- If anyone is lacking knowledge about what he is so furiously writing about, he is writing about one of our clan league players having used two accounts in the 1v1 ladder at the same time in the past.

Edited 7/20/2016 21:28:42

Really guys? Norman goes around making up false accusations like:

- Forbidden Knowledge using an alt to defame M'Hunters

- all his speculations about my history with certain clans

And by responding to him and calling on y'all to take responsibility instead of creating bad norms, I'm the one ruining your fun?

You're literally only responding to me with personal attacks at this point. And you're claiming I'm the one making this too personal.

I'm calm. I don't get why you'd think I'm angry or offended about this.

I'm just acting on the logical viewpoint that I either take action against abuse or allow it to take over the community. Abuse happens because it's got inherent incentives- people cheat because cheating gives them an advantage. If you don't act to stop it, you're letting it take over the community. Either you help create disincentives or you get lazy now and watch your community become unbearable later.

I mean, we're in the forums, where we're looking at the aftermath of exactly that. It's easy to let people spam, attack, flame, etc., because why not just chill and play the game? But people earlier in this community's history (going all the way back to Fizzer) decided they'd rather just let it slide rather than waste that time and now the forums are basically unusable and people like Norman and Tabby/Chatul get a free pass. I'd bet you that a lot of us are probably way more aggressive in this community than we are elsewhere, because this community encourages aggression while other communities block it.

We're seeing the same thing happen in ladders and other competitive events, and people still take the lazy, do-nothing way out because hey why care? I'd rather act now to avoid that sort of behavior becoming more rampant in the future. It's all about the incentives you create and the ones you counteract. Even if tomorrow someone pulls another AI or pulls another JV, at least I can say I exercised what little power I had to stop it from happening.

Is it all that weighty? Not really in the grand scheme of things. But this is a community I currently enjoy and I'd rather take steps to protect it.

Edited 7/20/2016 22:09:31

Go on guyz; I'm bored and cant go play warlight rt :p

tl;dr

@Chromeo: Here the short version:
Knyte isn't a self righteous... [now what was the last word again?] with his "I'm so holy" shit but in fact he is the last protector of the WarLight community while all have failed to fight the good fight against the evil cheaters.

Edited 7/21/2016 01:08:13

No, I'm just one person. I'm just making what I think is the best choice to keep M'Hunters toxicity from infecting the rest of the community. When you do something wrong, I have two options: either call you out or hope someone else does. And I'd rather not encourage your behavior by letting you get away with it.

For somebody with a tongue made of acid you sure do care a lot about M'Hunters "toxicity".

Yes. Norman's made multiple false accusations about me in this thread, one false accusation about Forbidden Knowledge (who's not even involved here). Going back to the topic, they're letting the most egregious known cheater on WL of 2016 compete for and represent them in Clan League.

You can even tell it in their responses. Instead of engaging me on substance (which even AI does that), they repeat accusations, further slander me, and reek of condescension. Why make all these personal attacks if my claims are baseless?

Ask Great Expanse, too. Today he mailed AyanM, asking them to support a feature proposal he's making to Fizzer (making Chat Games a part of Warlight). I apologize to him in advance for involving him here, but here's what he said about that experience and the behavior of M'Hunters (which you can verify in the #clans channel on the WL Public Chat Discord; if you decide to personally attack him over this, keep in mind that I'm more at fault here for violating his expectation of privacy/obscurity- the only M'Hunters player in that chat was TBest, so he didn't expect Norman/AyanM to see this and certainly doesn't air these grievances to them):

And apparently AyanM has a 'problem with me' and can't 'trust me' with that game chat idea you and I talked about yesterday.

Well, AyanM and Norman got into an arguement with alot of people. But what bothered me was the other M'Hunters coming in and judging the poor behaviour of everyone but Norman and AyanM.

Being around M'Hunters is negative energy I don't want in my life,

@TBest I will be honest with you, I have no problems with you or M"Hunters in general. Only, everytime M'Hunters starts talking a lot in the Divisino C thread someone is under attack. Someone is being belittled. Not everyone is being belittling, but there are others that sit there are validate the people belittling other people. And slowly over this season, more and more M'Hunters have been put on my blacklist.

I have AyanM saying I've attacked M'Hunters and I ask 'How?'

And I'm coming away from M'Hunters feeling terrible. I don't want this in my life and I hate being around people like that. I don't engage anymore, but that doesn't stop Norman from beating on Hysterical Koala in Hydra over and over again.

Like TBest, I am trying to get a community support for a new game feature. The most non-partisan thing ever. And he tells me I'm not worth trusting and he can't support me? That person needs to be taken out of M'Hunters!

He's not rational.

It was AyanM I talked to, not Norman.

This is from a major clan leader PM'ing M'Hunters about a feature proposal that's basic and useful enough for multiple other clans to have already backed. And yet the response he gets- from AyanM, your clan's leader, original Manager, and the guy whom it's named after- is a personal attack that makes him want to avoid M'Hunters even further.

While I'd like to keep this mainly about AI, their unwillingness to even enforce the simplest community norms is emblematic of a larger issue. And they get away with all of this because they're a large, active, skilled clan.

I don't think they should. I'll do my part to at the very least censure them (which means, when IPL comes out on Sunday, no M'Hunters player will be able to compete) and I hope the rest of the community moves to exclude them too until they become a more responsible clan.

Literally above this comment, after I've brought up M'Hunters' inability to engage on substance rather than personal attacks- Rogue Nikolai Krogius again responds on a personal level.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here with grievances against M'Hunters; clearly, other people can and will speak out when they're not immediately subjected to personal attacks in response. I'm just lucky enough to not have much of a reputation to risk here, but I hope I can at the very least discourage their behavior by revealing it and maybe even encourage the other people they've treated like shit to speak out against them.

To the people who haven't had these experiences, I'm sorry that you have to see this unfold in a Division C thread (although hey I guess you're actually ahead in post count now). I know you're not involved here and although I'd like you to think about the direction you're pushing the community by tacitly condoning the M'Hunters' behavior and calling for me to stop saying anything, I get that you'd also rather not jump into the ring when you don't feel llike you have to.

But this is just something that needs to be said. And needed to be said for a long time now.

Edited 7/21/2016 01:52:52

he is writing about one of our clan league players

Hey, just throwing it out there that there are 2 confirmed multi-accounters in M'Hunters. However, the other one is playing for the clan his other account is in; ONE!

Go home to your own division Knyte. You're drunk.

Edited 7/21/2016 01:42:37

Norman says I'm biased and affiliated with a clan in this division. You tell me I shouldn't post in this division because I have nothing to do with it.

Which one is it?

Maybe if you guys actually bothered to respond instead of continuing with personal attacks in an effort to silence and discredit criticism of your clan, we wouldn't even have this issue.

And I'm sure your clan is dealing with it in its Skype chat. Changes I'm sure will have a noticeable effect on your behavior in the community, just like they have in the past. :P

Edited 7/21/2016 01:57:54

But then again sometimes people speak their mind better when they are drunk. So lets take this apart piece by piece.

You cannont and will not disprove Norman's allegations. Honestly, its your word against his and you don't have a lot of evidence. Furthermore, this thread is not the place to settle these kinds of disputes.

Players do not "represent" their clans in clan league. That is like saying, because an Olympic team drew a swastika on a bathroom stall then their entire nation all the way down to their drooling dogs agree with and support their actions. This idea of players "representing" their clans is ludicrous. Players do not represent clans. AI is a free agent and he is free to associate or disassociate with any team, faction, ideology, assembly, or other group as he sees fits. It is not this bodies business telling AI where he can and can't play.

I will continue to poke fun at your baseless claims until you cease spewing such venom onto the forums.

Regarding AyanM's suspicion's about GE: I have known Ayan for a while now and he is not an idiot. Given recent events, you would be hard pressed to find anybody in either Hydra or M'Hunters who would trust the leadership of their opposite number. His speculations are not baseless and anybody with two brain cells would come to the same conclusion.

Honestly, your whining is so indefensible that I wouldn't be surprised if you are just doing this to increase the amount of posts on this thread like last time.

Come on knyte. I'd like to think we used to know each other pretty well. Its a shame I have to say these things about your argument.

Edited 7/21/2016 01:58:04

Honestly, your whining is so indefensible that I wouldn't be surprised if you are just doing this to increase the amount of posts on this thread like last time.

Ooooh, that's a new record. Took a M'H 5 paragraphs before landind a personal attack. Keep going guys. You're improving!

Ooooh, that's a new record. Took a M'H 5 paragraphs before landind a personal attack. Keep going guys. You're improving!



Thanks! Maybe if you put more effort into training your fellow clanmates rather than bad mouthing on the forums then they wouldn't be getting their ass handed to them.

Edited 7/21/2016 02:03:42

and reek of condescension