101st must stand together! Of course this conversation is yours, mein comrade!

Thanks memele for the update. Congrats for Blitz and the promotion, to VIW, Sninja and ONE, you guys played well the season with good results and didn't make it easy for us. Best of luck to Stahl and REGL in next season too.

Congratulations for 101st/Outlaws/WhateverTheFuckWeCallOurselves, it's been an honour to play with you guys, I'm very happy about this impressive result and I wish we can do as well next season.

About the 4 remaining games, Markus just activated vacations, so I guess we're not finishing that any soon lol. At least the league trophy won't be decided on that...

Didnt read through all the drama, but in my opinion its clear that the spot belongs to the clan and not to the people. So if people leave the clan, its their responsbility and not the clan's one. Outlaws is new and should thus start from the very bottom.

A lot of people are talking about the differences between the 101st/Outlaws situation and the XS/ONE situation. Unfortunately, they are all misrepresenting what actually happened. I should know, as I was the one who left XS.

RA did not kick anyone out of XS. He did not hijack the clan. A few of us became tired of how he represented us to the community and certain other internal things. Because of this, some of us left XS and formed ONE, knowing full well that we were likely to lose our spot in either A or B (at that point we were in a close fight with Turtles for the second promotion spot). After we left, the rest of XS's active members followed us. At that point RA began getting booted in all of his CL matches.

At the time he also said that he would absolutely field a CL8 roster in Division B with all his new recruits.

Ultimately the CL panel, which did not include either me or MotD at the time, decided that since the Lynx/101st decision had been a bad one, it was better to consider the players to be the clan than vice versa.

well perhaps there is other stuff on your skype who knows, your hole life is supposedly Warlight.
Also i dont know if you know how skype works, but not everything is a large skype group.

"The way I see it, you're annoyed because you were dissing someone from their back and it backfired because said person heard about it. I know your pain"

well i dont really see how you know anything about that, i dont know you at all and i will happily say anything about Zero i have said(even though it is very little). and i dont understand how it backfired? all i ever said about zero is something i mean and also something i see as being the truth. i just believe in the right of privacy. But im sorry that you have said something about someone that you're embarrassed about, but that seem to be your problem not mine.

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Eh Zero didnt take stuff of our clan main chat but private messages tacky had and also messages we had in a very exclusive group, which goes against the right of privacy and is downright ILLEGAL. How the heck you think we found out he was spying on us? That idiot bragged about having a spy in our chat by copying private msgs between Platinum and tacky, since Platinum was clearly not feeding him information we kindda figured out he had tacky's login.

My big problem with that is that I really liked Zero before that, and I thought Tacky and Platinum were being lunatic with their conspiracy theories, turns out I was wrong. It also pains me that Lynx didn't take any actions about that. When a random guy offered us an acc to access 101st chat a few months ago, Platinum went straight to 101st leadership to state the situation. Zero spyied on us for god knows how long time, it's needless to say that my opinion of Lynx and him tanked after that.

If someone did any shit near like this in Outlaws and Plat didn't straight kick him, I would default leave and find a clan where I find follows my principles of morality. Apparently that's not the case of Lynx.

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Right, but how is this relevant?

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+1 Kitten

Whatever the decision would have been, either 101st or Outlaws, we would have come to this discussion possibly. The panel took a decision and I think we should respect it, but everyone can say what they want about it.

I am just shocked to see some of the comments that aren't true at all in here, like Outlaws sucking up to MOTD to get the spot or Platinum "Hijacking" 101st. Platinum never "hijacked" 101st. When I was with 101st back then and we made the transition to Outlaws, weeks and weeks of discussions passed about a possible "merge" of 101st/Lynx. Unfortunatly, that possible "merge" was impossible for various reasons.

Lynx back then weren't helping 101st as much as they seemingly are doing now, so I can understand why Platinum wanted to get out of there and bring his friends with him. He wanted to purchase 101st, which was denied by the owner of it. Then, 101st members that weren't Platinum or that weren't too closely affiliated with Platinum got invited to a gameroom chat to discuss of 101st's future and a possible new 101st leader behind Platinum's back...This kind of triggered the definitive schism between Outlaws and Lynx/101st to the situation it is now because ex-101st (now Outlaws) had to choose to remain in 101st with a new leader of stay loyal to a good friend (Platinum).

I think that schism made some Lynx members realize that they weren't involved as much as they could in 101st and hence deployed more efforts since then to recruit and train the new comers than before (it is an assumption of course). I can understand that Lynx/101st claim that this division A spot should be 101st's spot and not Outlaws, but the CL8 panel have spoken.

I am not in a position to decide anything about that CL8 spot but I think that the best way to resolve this would have been a clans war between 101st members (not Lynx alts) and Outlaws. If both clans would have fought for the spot, the winners of the clans war would have been more legitimized in their claim to the spot (not fully legitimized but more than it is now).

I also want to add that I don't think ZBD's error of the past (that isn't excusable but can be understandable) should be brought up to dismiss ZBD's arguments because doing so is doing an Ad Hominem. Attack the arguments about this issue, not the person himself.

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@TG, we actually considered suspending zero, but him and tacky worked it out in the end. Not that its your business, or even relevant.

Although I disagree with the panels decision, I appreciate it wasn't an easy one for them, so thanks for all the effort guys. I'm more than willing to help in CL9 if needed. I did try and help this time, but I never got access to the spreadsheet :'(

@Nauzhror

you reply to all posts, you are omnipresent and you do not even part of a clan!
you're bored in your life? what you meddle

First of all, I want to thank all organizers of this great event. You put in a bunch of work. Keep on the great work! I do not know the complete history of the clan league as well as I do not know the complete turn of events which lead to the Outlaw players leaving 101st.

Anyway, through my eyes the legal situation is pretty clear. In a clan league the participation right is owned by the clan not by the players in the clan. I do not know a single popular league, where the participation right is owned by players. And for that reason 101st has the right to participate in Div. A.

The legal situation is that clear, that all Outlaw players did know that they will lose the right of participation in Div. A, when they were leaving. They did decide to leave nevertheless and that’s their right. But the consequences were very clear.

I did read about unlucky turn of events in the past of this great tournament and reservations linked to the current situation with 101st/Outlaws. But as far as I read, as a result of the unlucky history you put up the possibility to join Div. C as new good clan - as Outlaws is without any question.

In the end I want to say, that I will accept any solution, but I want to point out, that the current legislation in this case will cause problems in the future. As the legislation does not follow the inner logic of the clan league new discussions will appear:
How much players are enough to get the spot? When does the divide did take place? Who can be blamed for the divide? …

All in all, the current legislation will always lead to the situation that the council -who always consist of real people with emotions and sympathies- has to take the decision. Do you really want to put yourself in such a bad situation?

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It seems to me that in a way Platinum made his own clan within 101st and moved out in right time.
I get that he and his apprentices made 101st team great, but you can't just group-jump between clans and appear as debuting clan in div A while knocking out other clan to absolute bottom. XS/ONE and BIA/CPU didn't have one of them still competing so there was nothing to lose to XS or CPU, while 101st is very much alive. Clan banner matters, that's what everyone subscribes to.
Maybe better solution would be to have both clans in B, as there propably will be a dropout in A/B anyway?
It was a hard decision to do, have to admit that. But starting at the bottom would be for Outlaws just as bad as for 101st.

Yeah, would putting both clans in A/B (or one in each) be such an issue? if anyone drops out, they can fill that space, or just include an extra relegation next season?

In my opinion 101 should never be in A while Lynx is in there because 101 is Lynx B (with another name but that doesn't matter). But I agree that sending them to C is unfair, that's why, even with the current decision of promoting Outlaws, I would say that 101 should remain in B. If there are no dropouts in A/B, then, we could have a CL9 with 1 more team in B and relegate 3 to normalice it in CL10.

Aside from this discussion, it should be made clear what happen with "B" teams. For now we only have Lynx/101 but maybe large clans want to have more than a team or something.

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I agree with Hades and Onoma. As it is for now, Outlaws wins everything and 101st loses everything. It doesn't have to be like this, it can be more fair. The least would be not to send 101st back to the very bottom

EDIT: Memele +1

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In my opinion 101 should never be in A while Lynx is in there because 101 is Lynx B (with another name but that doesn't matter). But I agree that sending them to C is unfair, that's why, even with the current decision of promoting Outlaws, I would say that 101 should remain in B. If there are no dropouts in A/B, then, we could have a CL9 with 1 more team in B and relegate 3 to normalice it in CL10.

This is another point (Lynx and 101st in same division). I would completly understand, if one would leave Div. A for non-feeder clans. That would put 101st to Div. B and another clan would be promoted. But it is a more general question.

I would also understand if one would say: We want to put Outlaws to Div. B, they have shown that they can compete over there last season (at least playerwise). They would get a wildcard for Div. B. Anyway, as every new Clan Outlaws has to stabilize (one working season is not a guarantee that you will have sucess next season).

Teaser pic for CL9:

So basically 101st can never join Division A with some of your logic? What's the point of even trying to win now? There is NO reward.


I'm not going to comment of the decision, that's what the panel is for. But tbh, Outlaws chose to still play under the 101st name within CL, they should have known what that meant. Sounds like it's pretty easy to hijack a spot though. Worth noting people ;)


How about this, starting next season, if you leave the clan you are participating in CL with, then you drop YOURSELF from CL. The clan can then put in a replacement. This would prevent this from ever happening again.

Stay classy, CLAN league ;)

I think its logic that 101st can't promote to the same division as lynx. It's the same as in the (Dutch)football competition where the reserve team can win the competition but can't promote to the division of the main team.

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