Plat's obsessed with this though, and acted like a dick the first time he played kicorse. He deserves no sympathy as far as I am concerned. :D

There are a few guys (^^) in this thread acting like a dick. ;)

Edited 3/4/2018 10:22:31

Thank you, I appreciate your support :)

Oh no, someone played 2 turns more than they should! They are HORRIBLE stallers and should be warned or even banned from the game!!

Can we not agree on me being awesome instead of calling each other stallers and dinosaurs (except for buns, he really is a dinosaur).

In my opinion the 5 best Dutch players (#Dutchmasterrace) are

1. Oh
2. Dutch Desire / Min34 (even though he is a southern dutchie)
4. Farah (could've been so much better without the boots)
5. MisterT / Nergal

Edited 3/4/2018 10:39:15

1. Not min
2. Not min
3. Not min
4. Not min
5. Not min

Yay, the almighty tricky, who... might have stalled his two losses. They're the only games in the last 10 (I didn't check more) with 2+ day turns. Some of the games he averaged barely over an hour or two a turn.

Average: 5 hours 52 minutes

8 hours
1 minute
1 minute
3 minutes
2 minutes
2 minutes
2 minutes
12 minutes
2 minutes
2 days 8 hours
1 minute

Average: 10 hours

15 hours
1 minute
4 hours 56 minutes
3 minutes
5 minutes
1 hour 59 minutes
4 minutes
6 hours
2 days 5 hours
22 minutes
6 hours
2 days 2 hours
0 minutes

If THIS is called stalling then we're hitting a new low. And you wonder why people take stalling accusations less and less seriously?

I agree Bonsais posting was unnecessary and obviously false. Which he himself will recognise.

That 3vs3 ladder game obviously wasn't.

I also think, that we need to keep every stalling accusations 100% serious. Yes there are some who u look over and immediately close the case, but the majority have their arguments and if we want to keep this game fair for everyone, we need to take them serious. Otherwise rules will be bend to the limit, which won't be funny for anybody anymore, who wants to just enjoy this game. Remember the season, were timon was robbed to his deserved trophy, due to another guy stalled his games? I don't want that to become normality. I also don't want to play ladders, where the top players/teams always stall their losses, until they can't push them anymore back, cause the have maxed out their games. Same for real time games. I play to have fun and not to waste my time by playing a someone who plays to his elimination.

Edited 3/4/2018 11:22:25

@Njord

in case of plat accusation of stalling cowboy

you dont think this game is stalling?

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=14285465

its more to find out how big the disagreement on what constitutes stalling is.

and what would be stalling if this game is not stallled? since i honestly have a hard time imagining what then would be

I appreciate your efforts Njord, but the reason why this game was mentioned in the first place was not to make an agreement on what stalling is and what is not. It was brought up to start a shitstorm in a troll thread.

If you want to discuss stalling in a troll-free zone, you can write me a PM.

"If you want to discuss stalling in a troll-free zone, you can write me a PM. "

Yeah, discussing stalling with a known staller privately seems way more useful than a discussion as a community.

Edited 3/4/2018 14:23:30

Yep, seems as bout as useless as talking about ladder running with nauz.

I love this """community"""

Love ya too buddy.

You can include more than 2 people in PM. You can also be initiative and make a moderated Discord server to discuss, for example. Both are better than hijacking Wally's top 5 thread, which may have been a troll attempt to begin with.

Although I have to say, it's even quite fitting that we're discussing stalling and ladder rules in Wally's thread of all places. Says a lot about our great "community".

Blah, why do I even try.

Making fun of Nauz's statement is simply wrong, since it wasn't a lie. It doesn't matter what he tried at the 1vs1 ladder (which i disagreed a lot and which is luckily forbidden now by clear rules), he at least had a point in that statement here.

Rento even admitted it in 2 of those 3 games he stalled to get his 1vs1 ladder trophy. Although his opponents didn't had any problems with it, he still gained an unfair advantage over all the other players who played the 1vs1 ladder during that time.

Rento was at least honest about it, through that doesn't make his actions better. Which just leads me back to my statement. If everybody would do something like that, this game wouldn't make that much fun anymore. So talking and pointing out stalling is the only right thing, even if that results in obviously wrong accusations. But everybody should be able to recognize and overlook them, right?

So talking and pointing out stalling is the only right thing, even if that results in obviously wrong accusations. But everybody should be able to recognize and overlook them, right?

Clearly not. If everybody was able to recognize and overlook them, they wouldn't be pointed out in the first place.

Lmao, I can hardly take y'all serious on the matter. Maybe, you edge I suppose, but until people stop jumping on the bandwagon to accuse everyone of stalling, i still don't care.

The endless desire to expose people on the forums gets old fast.

Also the nauz statement wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but Im glad you did.

Clearly not. If everybody was able to recognize and overlook them, they wouldn't be pointed out in the first place.

Ok, let me correct and say the overall majority is able to.

The endless desire to expose people on the forums gets old fast.

It's the only thing we can do to try keeping some ethics in this game. So it's absolutely right to point it out. Some say it might be annoying, but u know what's really annoying? That we have to point them out, because stalling was part of the past and unfortunately will be in the future of this game, which is actually an absolute shame and i think everybody should be ashamed of cheating by stalling in a simple game.

It would be really good, if stalling would be punishable. I would be open to work on reports and talk about them with a group of people, cause i think if u have like 5-10 respected people of the community agreeing on one of those reports, than it would be great if that player would be somehow punished. Ofc that takes time and effort, but at least i would be willing to put that effort in it, if i can help to make this game better.

In regards to Bonsai's claim of almosttricky stalling his 1v1 ladder games, absolutely false. Bonsai said he "might have stalled", It was very wrong to speculate and not allow the game to finish. End of the case here.

The idea of comparing Bonsai's accusation and my accusation by Rento + Cowboy saying:
"Plat and Bonsai continue to prove why stalling accusations should not be taken seriously on WL."
This is merely a ploy to distract the attention from the original accusation which has substantial proof that Kicorse/Krunx/Mandarb stalled.

After all, Cowboy doesn't care about stalling as he says himself and Rento clearly doesn't either if you check https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=12770505 What gives him the right to talk politically about how we discuss stalling? makes him equally a hypocrite as Kicorse.

Rento also politically challenges my motives like a fluid talker does saying: "appreciate your efforts Njord, but the reason why this game was mentioned in the first place was not to make an agreement on what stalling is and what is not. It was brought up to start a shitstorm in a troll thread."

My only intention was to show Kicorse being a hypocrite which I think I succesfully did. This thread only turned into a shit-storm because of the constant denial of obvious stalling, I dislike stallers and I believe if you stall to cheapen the price of getting that trophy, you can expect "trolls" or "haters" like me to take any opportunity to remind everyone of your crap, especially when you speak against the action you very much did for your own profit.

I think this thread does show us one thing, 101st/Lynx doesn't care about stalling. If you guys did care about stalling, I should be seeing a apology saying "Hey, this game was a mistake, he stalled and we massively disapprove it". It's even cowardly that the leader Krunx who did the act himself and hasn't even bothered to post. This is the leader of the clan afterall which shows it all. ZeroBlindDragon leader of lynx, hasn't made a post either and all I've seen is Cowboy + Rento + Kicorse trying to challenge my motives of why I actually started this than rather talk about the case itself. Funnily, pointing out Bonsai in some kind of "counter-attack" as a defense mechanism.

As far as I'm concerned, you guys aren't helping with the problem. You all are part of the problem.

Stop acting like y'all have the moral authority. Or you can continue to pretend that this is the most pressing matter in the game.

Never once have I ever heard of at least talking to the players first, it's always jumping to accusations on the forums first.

Also stalling is not cheating, it's lame and cheap, but it's not against the rules.

Also some of y'all are the last pile I'd want to decide what stalling is.