101st has officially split into two clans, so I see no problem with them both playing. Obviously alts are not allowed.

Look at the thread Pushover linked. Right there decides this decision. 6/10 of the CPU players who played in the clan league were bia. So bia got the group a spot. This time, 6/7 (will soon be 7/7) players who played for 101st are now lynx. Exact same scenerio, except lynx has even more claim to the group a spot than bia did. Some people said that I am only doing this because I am in lynx. That's bs, history shows I ruled the same way in the previous season. To change the rules now would completely undermine the authority of the clan league.

If Lynx is an extension of 101st, then 101st won't be able to participate, but Lynx can. If not, 101st can stay in A, Lynx needs to restart.

Pushover, the main difference was CPU no longer existed at the time we started the 4th clan league, but if we're to make GG start from the bottom then Lynx should too. We passed no judgment on Elite's status in the previous clan league to decide where GG went. To keep changing the rules constantly for these odd situations make no sense.

Apollo is claiming that as of this weekend Lynx is not a part of 101st. It is a separate clan. They even paid $15. :P

I don't see the difference between 101st changing its name to replicate the CPU thing and 101st not changing its name. That is a semantic difference only. The fact that *all* players that competed for 101st are now in lynx should definitely mean something. Lynx did prove themselves, just under another name.

And yes, this means I did change my mind.

The players make the clan, the clan name is unimportant. I've got an odd example for this: if warlighters and apex switched clan names, would the old apex players suddenly fall to group b because they changed their name? The thing with gg is that they wanted to be in group a because they were a skilled clan. You have to earn it first. Lynx earned group a. I feel like ive already earned it once and wouldnt want to do it again. i guess i have to hope cheis and miyagi see it the same way. I helped my clan earned the group a spot and I want to reap my reward: play against the group a players. Bring it on twm, summer, frank, fridge, Michael, and noobschool!

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i dont think that they are that against lynx joining. They just told us their points to discuss.

Edited 3/10/2014 02:25:15

new clan = start in bottom
lynx = new clan
lynx = start in bottom
101st = group a last season
101st = group a this season

there was the same idiocy with CPU splitup. A few of the CPU guys went to XCD (gruff, slammy), yet it was BIA which got the Group A slot in the end. Boom. BIA gets last place this season. I guess the clan league is ran by biased people. If you want my opinion...

ALL NEW CLANS MUST START FROM THE BOTTOM.

New clans is defined by official clans that were recently purchased.

Jehovah has sound logic. If there's so much debate why not just stick to the simplest, most logical answer?

Some might say the simplest answer is to do what has been done in the past...

In which case, lynx takes 101st place in group a.

BIA which got the Group A slot in the end. Boom. BIA gets last place this season.

101st gets the Group A slot in the end. Boom. 101st gets last place next season.

Season 3...

Apollo, Dom365, and Unreality are already in Lynx.
Charles has been invited to Lynx.
Riyamitie has been invited to Lynx but is currently on vacation from clans.
gRrEn and Machiavelly have not been invited to Lynx.
Krawat has quit Warlight. Gambler joined WM.

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But that's not what you did in the past JSA, the only case that's slightly similar would be GG, but in the case of BIA/XCD CPU NO LONGER EXISTED. 101st really exists. If they choose they don't want to be promoted to group A then whatever, but Lynx ISN'T 101st so why should you get their spot. If Lynx IS 101st, an extension of 101st, we have no problems but 101st may not compete in the same season then.

When the people changed from 101st to Lynx, they essentially brought all of the life of 101st with them. Lynx is the old 101st. The new 101st is practically a dead clan unless someone does something about it, and in that case it would be completely different from Lynx.

You want to think about it a different way? Apollo pretty much just kicked out most of 101st in a roundabout way.

Also most of you are saying it'd be fine if Apollo named "Lynx" 101st and then renamed the remnants "102nd" or something

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Every player that brought 101st from B to A is in Lynx. So we're being shunted and told to start from the bottom, despite the fact that we earned our way up? This isn't comparable to GG. Also Lynx is 101st, whether you agree or not Lolowut, nobody made you the deliverer of truth.

The people supporting Lynx starting from the bottom are clans that are licking wounds from past decisions and have something to gain from this which makes you biased. By Pushover's logic is means you have no say, so go crawl back into your holes.

Edit: Aimed at Lolowut.

Riya, you still got it :P

Edited 3/10/2014 05:11:24

If lolowut want, I can buy another clan called "101 st", then transfer the ppl from "101st" to "101 st".

In that case, may I just donate $15 to Fizzer to save the troubles?

btw, ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ, riot no matter what happens

Edited 3/10/2014 05:42:06

I'm fine either way, but Hauptmann don't you think you might be a bit more biased than Lolowut? :p

While i would prefer to see better competition in all leagues, we have set the precedent that we don't make skill judgements. Leagues are earned, not given.

If the elite players of 101st want to stay in A, they should stay as 101st and kick out the people they don't want. They are choosing to split off.

It would be easy for me to play favorites and back and old friend in JSA, but i think that would be unfair to clans that had to fight their way up before and will in the future.

I feel their pain, but i am not sure we should set that new precedent.

Edited 3/10/2014 05:45:22

chris, may I follow Lolowut's concept and then just donate $15 to Fizzer to save all the member transfer troubles?

Btw, this does not relate to P and WG. WG started when their were no divisions. So there is no parallel there. I would have to look at the old threads, but i wanted GG in A from the start, as it would have been better competition.

Unrealty, first thing i need to make a sound judgement is a list of who is in what clan. I would also like a list of who has played in clan league for 101st in each season.

thanks, I think JSA/Apollo will give you a list. I believe this is a win-win-win situation, where Fizzer earns a donation, the host can make use of the dead clan concept to allow Lynx to stay in group A, while we save the idoitic member transfer

Edited 3/10/2014 06:10:24