Yes thank ypu very much you are awesome an ethic scomittee is better than no committee lots of effort thank you

training clans are nice not everyone can play their first 100 game snad prepared to pla y for masters or lynx

committee is awesome ad people in it are more awesome

but bottom line who knows who the most skilled clans is when the same "clan" plays to hgroups in same division

lynx has been known to move players back and forth very often which imo should make them ineligible

and ya apprentice is with mastes who ave cheater so we cant trust em either

so imo no feeder clans playingwith their mother clan because that can cause lots of issues


p.s. sorry im veyr drunk

To everyone who is arguing that Lynx/101st should not be allowed to play in the same division, you are five seasons too late.

May I present Season 6 of the Clan League to all of you:
https://www.warzone.com/Forum/76938-clan-league-6-official-thread

Lynx and 101st both played in Group B during Clan League 6. And guess what. No one had any problem with it. And by some miracle, no collaboration occurred.

Cool story, bro. It's always nice when Grandpa JSA drops by for an old-timers story. May I be the first to welcome you back to the present day, where no one outside of Lynx and Masters are going to trust them to play in the same division as 101st and Apprentice. That would be a miracle, indeed.

you're ugly bonsai

are you seriously telling us that because something might happen, let's make everything forbidden even though it happened without problems in the past? this is delusional, we're supposed to improve from mistakes not guesses

Edited 11/24/2018 11:39:33

@Tacky:
Where exactly in the recent past did players move back and froth form one clan to another for CL. There is a rule, which prevents exactly this!

@Plat:
We have such a panel and it is the managers of clan league plus the audit panel, if I recall it correctly. And before they introduce new rules the assembly of clan leaders gets to vote.

While some may feel there is a need to close div A for clans which are closely connected, this needs to be stated by clear and objective rules. Simply saying Apps and Masters and 101st and Lynx aren't allowed to play both at once in div A isn't an objective rule nor is it fair. It goes with the nature of things, that some clans have closer relationships with each other than others do. If you want to meet potential collaboration of clans, you need to find objective criteria. For example one could introduce hard punishments for collaboration. By the way you are raising this issue, everyone has to come to the conclusion, that you aren't interested in the debate about the issue, but want to throw dirt on Apps/101st.

Serious question: Did not you want to retire? When does this retirement begin?

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On a side note for Lynx/101st:
Personally when I was leading 101st,I never had the big aim to get 101st play in div A for different reasons.

Edited 11/24/2018 10:58:50

This discussion is honestly ridiculous. Mistakes have been made, people are punished for it, now taking pre emptive measures against people that haven't even done anything wrong is a punishment on a punishment, as the only reason for it happening is the fact that people have made mistakes and now aren't trusted for it.

Obviously there should be strict rules in play if the situation ever does come to pass that apps/101st are in the same division as masters/lynx, but taking pre emptive measures that prevent the clans from ever promoting from B to A makes no sense. It just demotivates from trying your best as this is the highest ever reachable.

There'll always be clans working closer together, or even just people working closer together, that shouldn't influence the CL in any way.

I like how 15 posts after I asked for constructive suggestions for criteria, there's still none.

@Krunx

"We have such a panel and it is the managers of clan league plus the audit panel if I recall it correctly. And before they introduce new rules the assembly of clan leaders gets to vote."

What have they done? Nothing. Only when I raised this issue on this thread, there's attention and what's happened? Still nothing. There's not a structure in place. To think otherwise it's a fantasy world. If so, why hasn't someone outlined what the process will be? Because there's not a clear one in place. This is the detail I've gotten.

"Mh, yeah that seems hard enough, so I should probably focus on that. And outsource all the other stuff."

Don't tell me there's a structure in place. Nothing wrong with no structure, just when you are being deluded saying there's a good one in place.

To your criteria point, can I give a ruling that is waterproof and has no flaws in it? Probably not. So I will state on what I only see. The promotion process, Apps/101st have had players promote to Masters/Lynx. This is a red flag in my eyes, If you're telling me these clans can be put in the same division. So the promotion process can be the objective criteria perhaps.

"By the way you are raising this issue, everyone has to come to the conclusion, that you aren't interested in the debate about the issue, but want to throw dirt on Apps/101st. "

Everyone meaning you and Rento? Every issue it's the "Platinum has a rage against 101st/Lynx/Apps" victim card that's being used. Book me with Rento the therapist and we'll bring you into the room, you can have a teddy bear and show Rento where I hurt you. I care about your feelings.

Grow up.

To conclude once more, It's common sense to not have a feeder clan with the alpha clan in the interest of competition. Would anyone play in a division with 101st/Apps in the same division as their alpha clan? No. I wouldn't, I would drop out of Clan League in this scenario cause it's such a naive idea. Nemo and Dry-clean and Tacky only are only the tip of the iceberg with me who knows this is bullshit but actually publically voiced their support.

Not a single arguement by Plat, not a single one! Are you really not able to argue?

You are an attention whore, nothing more nothing less. Not able to provide anything productive.

As Plat is constantly TROLLING in case of CL and throwing dirt on other, it can't be excluded, he collabates in order to punish clans he hates. Therefore, we need to take measures before he is able to do so. I request the ethics panel to BAN Plat.

Makes sense? No?! So why are you arguing in such a fashion.

I was told this thread was the right place to discuss potential rule changes.

If that's true, can we get TBest or some panelist to join/moderate the discussion? We won't accomplish anything the current way, with people getting so easily triggered over nothing.

On topic:

Through my eyes, the main issue is potential collaboration of clans or single members in clans. While some may think, it is more likly to happen between clans, which are connected in some way, I would argue, that even a single clan member, which has connections to another clan could potentially collaborate with another clan (for example as he plans to switch clans or dislikes another clan).

So we should focus on potential rules, that it is forbidden to do exactly that and find drastic penalties for those, who are involved in such a collaboration. Presume, that some clans will collaborate for sure, is not a good methode to avoid this, as we could see, that some, which most of the community never expected to cheat, cheated.

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Edited 11/24/2018 19:21:54

We're not presuming anything you can't stop cheating while it's happening you can make preventative measures and punish those that do

@plat that message was a little long and a little condescending the panel might be slow but I'm sure they're discussing afaik they vote on everything

@krunx not everything is about you and your clans I mean seriously you're the attention whore lmao

@everyone I mean honestly though what would stop a Master from helping apprentice to beat rivals in CL. How could we tell? Also doesn't help when clans like Lynx moves players like Joi back and forth. Also doesn't help when clans are filled with alts from another clan. For example it looks like Discovery is really loyal to FCC....

Edited 11/24/2018 15:18:22

I have no problem with the panel I 100% support them and I'm trying to help by having a stimulating discussion.

"Where exactly in the recent past did players move back and forth from one clan to another for CL. "

Kantos moved down from Lynx to play for 101st in CL8.

Can someone give details of collaborations between any two(related or unrelated) clans in past?

Well this is just plain bull.

So basically you're telling me that based on your notion that masters f***** up the idea of bringing apps to A goes downhill. I understand the notion but on practice asking for such a ban is nothing but authoritarian.

Let me give you my point of view: Been in app for 2 years or so now, love the skype/discord, made friends there. Havent seen puppeteer advice once and even got that denied myself in the past. Theres a culture of play first, discuss with others after.

If masters screwed that up that's their problem not mine, or any app's. But you're basically telling me that if i strive for playing in A i have to tell my friends to f*** off because i would like to go to a "better" clan.

Ive seen mod talking about apprentice once. Why don't you ask him why the clan even exist. In my perspective being suspicious is acceptable but forcing such a clause is way too personal. What is the objective connection?

Same discord server? Please, wz discord servers are full of friends and guests, that alone doesnt sustain anything.

Friendship? Am i not allowed to have friends to play with?

Conflict of interest? Seriously? They wont even tell apps what to do on ladder games, why would they even do that on clan league games? "Oh but you can take away points from other teams..." Have you ever thought that if app gets there, its apps own merit? If you're so worried about puppeting brother clans why didnt you bring up these matters in all the previous editions of clan league? It is a problem only when you're against them? And anyways, who would want to claim a victory on something that they didnt deserve? Im not sure you're aware but your moral superiority is not exclusive to yourself.

There is just no plausible argument for doing this and if for some bizarre reason a paranoid rant becomes an actual rule i'll enjoy my account telling you guys to f*** off until i'm banned because thats how stupid it is.

Having an opinion is fine, pushing it as reality is an entirely different matter

Edited 11/24/2018 16:41:38

you're calling bullshit but you explain there's a culture in masters that's healthy and that is obviously very false...

also if you want to play in A division maybe play for Masters? I heard they're low on filled slots...

there is an obvious conflict of interests because the mother clans funded feeder clans, and built them, so the feeder clans owe the mother clans a lot

nobody's saying fuck off except for you....

Master's screwed up and it doesn't affect any other clans, but it does hurt not only my trust but also the legitimately of their whole clan

I personally don't wish to condemn because Masters are cool people and I think they were judged a little harshly just because they are winners, but seriously, no conflict of interests? It seems like a big risk to allow and hurts the credibility of the league. And once again its not JUST abot Masters/App this is just a good example its about setting a standard and for ALL feeder clans, tito you're almost as bad as krunx hehe

"Kantos moved down from Lynx to play for 101st in CL8"

Were you not in control of the lineup then?

*edit* I was informed of the situation, and while I don't agree it's still right to use that as an example (did you really want them to select blowfly or grick as a sub), I apologize for my ignorance on the matter.

In my time with the clan, players in lynx offered to play for 101st. Our response was always no.



I want a valid point on why it's bad for these clans to play in the same division outside of "They made collude"

All I see is people assuming given the chance, we'd cheat, which is incredibly unfair.

Edited 11/24/2018 17:43:39

It was just an example but youre still telling me

"Hey, this might happen, so lets make that forbidden for everyone, based on the idea that some other group did this thing. Who cares if the action involves people that is yet to pronnounce themselves, who can get there by their own merit."

Ill repeat, i understand being suspicious but pushing that as reality is nothing other than bull. You're not the one being forced to choose friends or clan league so it's easy for you to play the polite guy that has no reason to tell others to f*** off.