Maybe I am going crazy, but does anyone else think Zoe is trolling us?

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I highly doubt it.

Look at the political situation in America and ask yourself if it's entirely unlikely that a lefty (or anyone of any sincere political persuasion) might find their way here.

At least to me, rather someone is on the left or right doesn't matter. People have different views, and beliefs. I think that is good, if not necessary. What matters is if someone participates in these conversations in good faith. But from my perspective, Zoe has repeatedly and consistently failed to respond to any thing I have posted in a substantive, straightforward way. I would love to have a conversation about why we should define gender in one way or another, or rather young children should take hormone blockers to aid in their transition. But, at least from my perspective, Zoe doesn't seem interested in a conversation. Instead he has repeatedly flung insults, and tried to talk down to the people on this post who hold different opinions, while ignoring or side stepping any reasonable points made against him.

Edited 6/15/2019 21:12:18

I only talk down to people who deserve it lol. I feel I've been pretty straightforward, Cata Cauda asked, "what kind of scientific studies did those people do to come to those conclusions?" so I linked the meta-analysis from Cornell University. I also want to have a productive conversation about these topics but it's impossible when people just reject every study or analysis I provide as being "biased" or "propaganda", this is why I used the term anti-Science, because they're against scientific analysis and would rather go with their feelings on issues like this. Also, as you should be able to tell by my name, I'm a woman.

I'm up for a rational debate, but you're all missing the point. It's not supposed to be politics talk that makes sense, hence the name of the thread.

Should i make a "there isn't enough rational and civil politics talk" thread?

@zoe I get that. You keep insisting on looking at gender from a scientific view point. Which again, is one valid way to view it. But it is not the only valid way. I keep trying to point out that the terms "gender", "male", "female" are words that have existed before contemporary science, exist and are used outside of contemporary science, and have definitions that have nothing to do with contemporary science. Thus it is not only rational, but also not anti-science, to recognize that science doesn't have the ability or inherent right to redefine words used outside the scope of science. Are you able to consent to that?


@Japanball lol, you know you are right... maybe I am in the wrong thead?

Sure I guess? I don't see how you could form an opinion on a topic like, "What is the best course for trans people" without looking at what all the studies and research around it say. That's pretty much definitionally irrational.

Damn you and your big words

https://mapfight.appspot.com/ireland-vs-hokkaido/ireland-island-hokkaido-japan-size-comparison
Unrelated.

@Zoe I've never claimed you shouldn't look at research to answer questions like "What is the best course for trans people." Nor have I insulted or degraded trans people as a group. :) This conversation has been about the definitions of the words "male", "female", and "gender." Which is why I've been hammering on the point that different groups of people have different definitions for these words, and that if we want a unified definition of these words we would need to convince people that one defintion is better than others. But just saying, "academia says these words mean...," doesn't do much to convince people.

Edited 6/19/2019 21:13:04

WE NEED MORE SENSELESS TALK
btw there are two genders

https://i.redd.it/16k0hmh908z21.png

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no lmao

I agree with the core of the post. Off-Topic used to be a place where I could just relax while looking through all the political threads and shitposts. Now I have to go through actual threads (ugh!)

4chan caters to casual spectators such as yourself.

@Zoe You are wasting your time here, their only way out is to play with words and shift the conversation to nonsense circular arguments.

What about the arguments are nonsensical and circular?