Cisalpine & Transilvania

No offence, but Idc if people who believe in 76 genders are homeless. They need to seek mental help urgently.

If you're a real Marxist then you uphold Darwinian naturalism, where man is really just a machine of macro molecules. So if man is really just a machine of macro molecules there's no proper ethic that he's supposed to follow, it's entirely subjective.

I'm supposed to seize the means of production to provide the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people, why am I supposed to care about respecting some guy's pronouns or covering the medical expenses of his self-mutilation

No offence, but Idc if people who believe in 76 genders are homeless. They need to seek mental help urgently.

You're *almost* right. There is no set number of genders, it's a spectrum. This isn't even a debate among psychologists or biologists lol, they completely agree with this notion. There isn't a single reputable biologist who will tell you that having a dick makes you male, or vice versa.

If you're a real Marxist then you uphold Darwinian naturalism, where man is really just a machine of macro molecules. So if man is really just a machine of macro molecules there's no proper ethic that he's supposed to follow, it's entirely subjective.

lmao what? Do you know what Marxism is? Or the concept of solidarity?

No offence, but Idc if people who believe in 76 genders are homeless. They need to seek mental help urgently.

Also, no psychological, biological, or any sort of reputable organization surrounding this topic agrees with you lol. It must be really hard to believe something nobody who actually studies this sort of stuff agrees with lmao.

so it's the gender is not equal to sex thing again right ? that's all so tiresome, but i just hope some people can believe in chromosomes and science, also transgender = transition from one gender to another, try to use another word before claiming it as a real gender or whatever you called, xxy and xyy chromosome does not make separate groups, exceptions are exceptions, that doesn't make it a whole spectrum, radical feminists should not chose to read biology, the lecturers would absolutely bashed you, rant over.

I do believe in science, which is why I trust the scientists and psychologists who actually study this stuff, as well as the various scientific and psychological organizations that agree with my assertion that gender isn't binary, and is a spectrum. Don't claim to have science on your side when it's painfully obvious you don't lmao. What's tiresome is seeing these silly, anti-science claims being made so arrogantly by idiots like you all over the internet for the past couple years.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8

You can literally just Google "science gender" and see that the science is decidedly not on the side of chromosomes determining gender.

The notion that biological sex determines gender has scientific validity comparable to astrology or the Myers-Briggs test.

Edited 5/31/2019 04:30:32

I think a lot of people are misframeing the trans debate here. From the beginning science really wasn't involved in the debate about gender. Pretending it was a scientific debate is doing it an intellectual disservice. It has always been a debate about the definition of the words gender, male, and female, etc. Certain groups of people want to define it one way, others want to define it another. Then the debate would go into how these distinctions define society. But the fields of biology, psychology, and so on do not have the ability, let alone the right to decide the definition of a word in the larger community. That is a decision our society needs to make.

Google "science gender" and get an article ranting about Trump. Yeah, very convincing piece of science. Completely impartial politically.

There are still people who believe that there are more than 2 genders? Its 2019, people, catch up.
Even in ancient times they knew that.

glad that i've initiated some senseless politics talk here, @Rento: Ranting about drumpf and being politically correct increases your chances to get your papers published on good journals, this is not news really. Other than the academia being traditionally left leaning, the journal reviewers are also sternly reminded that how vocal the radical liberals are, you don't wanna mess with them. I actually admire the courage of them a lot, fighting for what they believe, whether I think they're right is another matter.

There are still people who believe that there are more than 2 genders? Its 2019, people, catch up.
Even in ancient times they knew that.

"There are still people who believe that slavery is immoral? Its 2019, people, catch up. Even in ancient times they knew that it's moral."

Appeals to tradition out the ass lmao. Any more fallacious arguments from the transphobes on here?

@Zoe this is a thread devoted to senseless political debates. So how about this, can you explain gender to everyone. The distinction between gender and sex if one exists, and why you believe that someone's gender should or should not be defined by their sex, as it has traditionally been defined?

Sex is just the biological differences between men and women, gender is the cultural and social role of each sex in society. The World Health Organization defines gender as, "Gender refers to the socially constructed characteristics of women and men, such as norms, roles, and relationships of and between groups of women and men. It varies from society to society and can be changed." It's very, very simple to understand.

What is my gender if I dont follow my sex's roles, and norms? Or is free thinking not taken into account in "gender science"?

I dunno, gender norms and sex roles are incredibly arbitrary, they change over time and are different in a lot of places. Which is literally my point lol

Edited 6/1/2019 03:37:54

Thank you Zoe! Now you presented one definition of gender. I think it would be a reasonable generalization to say that people who are in support of a binary definition of gender support a definition that basically makes the word "gender" have a perfectly synonymous defintion to the word "sex" (as in biological sex). If you accept this definition as the oppositions defintion of the word "gender." I now challenge you to present your reasoning why the definition you believe is more appropriate?