I don't understand this last point. TheWarlightMaster is not playing TWM in the clan league. Did he play both on the ladder at the same time? IF he did, it doesn't matter to me whether it is known that is him or not. Cheating is cheating regardless of it being public knowledge. I assumed Fridge was talking about MOD. I am not aware of other cases of Master clan players cheating.

BTW, I'm not sure I really care about two accounts in a tournament (provided one is not spying/working for another team or something). Ladders and Clan League, yes.

Edited 7/8/2014 19:55:31

Yes - TWM played 1v1 ladder and realtime ladder with two accounts each.. It doesn't matter if people know it's him or not. It's still against the rules.

Setting a good example for MOD I guess.

So is this a case of oversight (TWM failing to mention Desi was MOD to Miyagi)? Or was it intentional (not telling him so MOD could play in both leagues)? It seems like within Blitz, the deception was intentional, just curious if the same is true for Masters.

Cheating is cheating regardless of it being public knowledge.

About the Mod case - Honestly, I would say it's not cheating. Yes, I know its against the rules, BUT it's not cheating. I consider cheating as a thing that helps you to win, or so. And putting him in our lineups didn't give us any advantage that we wouldn't have without him. We could put any of our members in same spots, and probably get about same results from those tournies (if not better, since desi got booted a few times).

Please don't misunderstand me. I know it's illegal, BUT "cheating" is the wrong word, isn't it? :)

EDIT: I expect a reply that says "cheating is to do something illegal". And yeah, basically it is, but i also expect most here (except pulsey) to see my point :)

Edited 7/8/2014 22:52:54

silence, cheater!
MoD was your best option!
You wanted him despite it broke rules!
that's a cheat!

That might be, but still all my men could do 5-0 or at least 4-1 in those tournies :) #CallThePoliceSoTheyCanComeAndEatDonutsWithUs

If all your members could pull of those, why did you send someone illegal?

Good question.. NEXT!!

Just kidding, i don't know actually. I guess we see/saw him as an ordinary member of the clan, so when we tried to let all that wanted to play, play, he striked with.
Is that a good enough answer? :)

You can get into semantics on whether you consider it "cheating" or not (entering motive into the equation). To me that is pointless. All that matters is whether a rule was broken, and what the punishment is.

A rule was broken, all we need to know right now is what the punishment is. When will the 'Clan League Summit' conclude? I just want to move on, we know what happened we just need judgement.

Also if we lose those points, do the other teams gain those points? I am fine with losing the points but was taking away points done in the past or is this a new rule. Shockingly, I haven't read through the Clan League rule book so I'll need you guys to enlighten me.

Edited 7/9/2014 18:50:04

Hi.

The only unknown for me is whether TWM knew about MOD/Desi as well.

Once we know that ^ we can decide all.

Whether or not TWM knows doesn't determine the punishment for Blitz..... but I suppose it helps decide if you want to punish both clans.

Of course, I was just saying once we have that information. We can inform everyone of our descions. It's not any good doing it in parts.

If points are deducted the other clans shouldn't gain anything. That wouldn't be fair in my eyes.

In your scenario you are saying the games that MOD or Desi won are just abandoned? Just like when a team is stripped of titles in sports by NCAA, you dont give them to runner up?

Uncounted games vs. Auto-loss is slightly different, so...

1) Auto-loss preserves the natural maximum (whatever it is.) Not counting the games removes this maximum (By 12 points for Blitz and 2 for every other clan.)

2) Auto-loss creates an automatic 14 point loss for Blitz (-12 for losses and each other team gets +2 = 14 difference), while uncounted games only does 12.

3) The only *major* difference would be if you scored based on net total (Gained points - Lost points), where Auto-loss would subtract 12 while abandoning the games would not subtract at all (but would lower Blitz's theoretical max).

As far as I'm concerned there's not much difference unless #3 applies, so Auto-loss is good enough.

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That being said, I'm probably on the legalist side, but I think Masters should be punished regardless of TWM's knowledge of it.

i think it's not fair to penalize anyone for anything unless you require them to personally acknowledge to you (say in private mail) that they understand the rules before participating, as not everyone is on the forum. If you really wanted to be all srs bsnss about it.

every single violation has been someone playing in multiple groups right? not the same group, not the same RR?

Pushover - bullskit. this rule was clear to everyone. Especially after gnuff's actions on clan league and ladders. You did not have to be a forum regular to know it. Besides - it's obviously an issue worthy of asking the organizer of the league, so just for not doing that, penalty should be made. Let's cut this alt nonsense already!