> Good players are accepting a Small Earth challenge best of 11. But you are afraid to loose against Sanmu while you are losing this whole discussion.

Apparently you're not merely bad at warzone, but reading too. I accepted his challenge, and added the requirement of each game being worth $10.

Hell, if he wants to make each game worth a larger amount I'd accept that too, but I'm not wasting time to put a garbage player in their place with no incentive.

And no, the best players at small earth aren't the equals to other templates. Nor are the best at Rise of Rome.

Rise of Rome is usually played with full dist, what this means is that there is a best set of picks, that is available every game, due to no wastelands, or random warlords altering the board in any way.

The only thing that stops one set of picks from objectively being the "best" is counter-play, if someone knows what picks you will make they can counter them, this doesn't actually add strategy to the template though, it adds luck, it turns the picking process into a game of rock/paper/scissors among top players where there is a "Best Set of picks", and then counters to those picks, and then counters to the counters of the first set, etc.

Templates that require more skill have enough choices that the best choice isn't super obvious at a glance (small earth), which results in pick lotteries, or the same choices every game, resulting in solved templates (Rise of Rome).

The reason your winrate is bad is because you're bad. You can stop making excuses, no one's buying them.

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@sanmu

I like playing Warzone, love the game. So many different scenarios and templates....some ppl like RoR a lot, some like Strategic 1v1.
I see from this forum you're very invested in the game, and especially small earth.

If you want we can play a SE best of 11. But just letting you know - I'm no expert in small earth. I'm no expert in any map honestly :D, not even strat 1v1

This is more entertaining than CL, please don't stop.

does anyone want to play a game of LD Siege with runtime wastelands with me?

I can play it over the weekend Loxiiv

We're getting hit by a cyclone so internet is very weak.....so warlight forums, discord and reading news is all I can do right now

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@sanmu
We can also play. After playing 1 game vs me you should be ready to beat Nauz 11-0.

I did read your post. But you added more things to it. Your such a weak person to complain after it that reading isn't the strongest point of someone.

You are not reading all of my text well:

Statistics are not everything. I don't always play to win, I don't always have to win, I play this game because it's fun. You can learn many things from that. You're taking Warzone and the statistics way to serious. People with bad statistics could also play strong and surprise easily. It does not say much about how good someone is. You won't be the first one to be beaten by someone with bad statistics.

Many people play this for fun and do not care about statistics. It really do not matter and it does not say much about how good someone is.

Each map has it's advantages and disadvantages. Same goes for what people like, not everyone likes the same map. Small Earth is short and fun to play. You can easily surprise eachother and play topmatches on the Small Earth map, just like other maps as Strategic 1v1, Rise of Rome and Imperium Romanum. The people who are good at it, are just as good as the people who are good on another map. There is no difference in how good they are. Some players are better of worse in another maps, that's also perfectly fine.

Looking down on people is bad and it's only saying how bad and weak that person himself or herself is.

Good players are accepting a Small Earth challenge best of 11. But you are afraid to loose against Sanmu while you are losing this whole discussion. It doesn't need to be played for coins if Sanmu doesn't like or doesn't have coins. Best of 11 at strat ME could be an option if Sanmu likes that. It's proving nothing when Small Earth is proving nothing. 2 home matches does not mean much. Then you should add a neutral 3rd template to really prove yourself to eachother.

My prediction is when Sanmu wins, it's called luck by Johnny and when Johnny wins, it's called skill by Johnny.

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I agree with vena, he speaks the truth.

Thank you very much, Rick Sanchez :D

AYYYYYY Johnny boy, fucking fantastic news. Full disclosure, I'm tired right now, so I haven't had the pleasure to read your fascist rants yet, but I have been told the news!

You best believe I'm confident to take you on. Addy the Dog, Motoki, Sephiroth, and MWL....I've beaten them all. I'm currently 6-1 in my Small Earth games against the MASTER clan. And unlike you, I actually respect all of those people! So, what the hell are you gonna do? The insane lunatic of the group?

And you must think you're so fucking clever, don't you? Challenging me to a coins match when I'm clearly broke af. I don't have a coin to my name man. I'm a straight up beggar. You probably thought I'd just quit on the spot.

BUT THINK AGAIN. It turns out people hate you SO MUCH that people are paying me to play you. No joke! I have anonymous donors on the line willing to fund any coins I need to beat you. So dude! We can do this after all. Who would have thought right??

Small Earth Wasteland, Best of 11. 1 minute timer with 2 minutes banked. Be there or be square. And I insist that Phobos moderate (at least partially) the entire thing. It's only fair, after how you did him so so dirty! Oh, and not only that, but I'm gonna need you to SAY SORRY to Phobos. It'll be a great day. I'll be 11,000 coins richer, and Phobos will get the respect he deserves.

Once we get those minor things ironed out, we'll be good to go. Sooo johny boy, when's it gonna be? It's your funeral, so you should have some say in the matter after all.

oooooooooooh. mans getting called out

Also, Master Ryiro, I'd love to play you man. I'll message you again when I'm not sleepy and we can set something up tho. You seem like a nice person to play :)

And vena, you get him. He's bein a total dick to you and he has no right to insult you like that. Johny boy, your fight is with me. Don't drag other people into it. They're just making observations on reality.

Ryiro I think you'll like this game it's got very cools settings
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=26941424

Does this mean you accept Johnny's counter challenge to play on both SE & ME?

I'm just curious ... cuz ... this is so entertaining and we all wanna see this go down! lolol

Oh no, like I said, I haven't read his post yet. He was talking mad shit about Small Earth, and had opportunities to back down from his elitist ramblings, but he didn't. His options now are either 1) stop shit talking Small Earth, 2) admit that he'd lose at Small Earth, or 3) play me. MME doesn't factor into this at all. I never said anything to insult MME. The challenge on Small Earth is in direct response to the shit he was saying.

It must make him so mad that he has to play a "commoner" like me, but so be it. If his clan won't shut him up, then I will.

No joke! I have anonymous donors on the line willing to fund any coins I need to beat you. So dude! We can do this after all. Who would have thought right??

This is getting a bit extreme. Is that you, Phobos? For some random reasons I believe it might be AI aka Beep Beep Jeep or one of his mates.

Edit: I haven't read my own quote, not "donor" but "donors".

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Good luck Sanmu!

Nauz, I think you're overestimating the luck factor in SE as well as how well you've figured out the template. At the top level, there is a skill cap (which AI can tell anyone about) and it's indeed easy for anyone who's good at Warzone in general to "solve" SE and play optimally or very close to it. But it doesn't become a luckfest nearly as early in the process, and given your penchant for leaving SE to play Strat 1v1 as early as you can, I don't think you've gotten to the level of skill where it becomes skill-capped. There's a good argument to be made that most elite players significantly underperform on SE (see: Clan Wars). If you seriously aimed for the #1 spot on the SE QM board, you'd easily get pretty far since you understand picking, counters, etc.; but there's micro-optimizations (or just small-scale tactics) on SE that are distinct from what you'd see on a medium-sized map, and ime this is where elite players tend to underperform on SE. SE builds a different set of skills than what you learn on medium-sized maps, and it's complementary- you become a better SE player by playing MTL templates and the insights from SE help you improve a little bit on MTL templates.

It's a fast template to learn but not a worthless one. Look at SE Masters and you'll see that even at the top levels the games do not often play out the way you suggest.

Give it a more serious look before you dismiss it. There is skill in its outcomes; it's just not very skilled by Warzone standards which tend to be absurdly high since, e.g., MTL rankings are far more skill-driven than most real life sports. Even SEAD has significant skill differentiation.

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Also, sanmu speaks from a position of greater credibility when talking about human communication, given his field (law) spends a lot of time and energy getting good at precisely and effectively communicating with people- including ordinary people- about complex subjects (not just law but basically anything, since you could have an expert witness from any background). Lawyers have actually quietly gotten communicating with humans down to an art and their literature on the subject is impressive. Look into books about communication skills for lawyers; most of them are generalizable, and lawyers' work in that domain goes into far more depth than I've seen in communication books targeted at non-lawyers.

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> Small Earth Wasteland, Best of 11. 1 minute timer with 2 minutes banked.

No. You can use that template if you want, but not RT. RT hugely favors whoever has played the template the most, by turning it into a intuitive game rather than a calculated one. You also seem to have also ignored the part about that if you actually want to prove something, since you're the one making challenges after all, you should be able to beat me at templates I actually play, since you were making claims that I am nowhere near the top at said templates.

Then again I suppose I shouldn't expect much, if you think a best of 11 means you'd profit 11,000 coins.

Best of 11 means first to win 6. It's 11 games at most. Saying that you'd win 11,000 implies you'd win 11 games. The only way it goes to 11 games is if someone wins 6-5, in which case the winner loses 200 coins and the loser loses 2000.

Best case scenario would be someone sweeping 6-0 and winning 4800 coins, and other player losing 6000. House (aka Fizzer) takes a 20% cut from all coin games.

> You are not reading all of my text well:

Read it just fine, it was just too stupid to be worth responding to.

You're bad, so you claim you lose because you don't try to win. You don't need to put a lot of effort into winning most games if you're any good at the game. I can play quickly and take 30 second turns vs most people and win the majority of the time.

Statistics don't mean everything, far from it actually, winrates are hugely dependent on who you play against. You can't decide someone with a 80% winrate is better than someone with 70% by just looking at their winrates.

You can however decide that someone with 37% winrate is bad, because for that winrate to be anything but garbage they'd need to be playing vs 2000+ elo opponents every game. You're not. Therefore you're bad.

I expect I could beat you 20 games in a row quite comfortably without breaking a sweat.

Sanmu is not a better player than me, or as good of a player as me, but he's at least decent; unlike you. I've never claimed I'd sweep him 6-0, or that I'd beat him every game, but I'm still very confident that I'd beat him well over 50% as well, especially on templates that aren't small earth.

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> Johny boy, your fight is with me. Don't drag other people into it. They're just making observations on reality.

They're making observations on things they aren't qualified to comment on. People who are mediocre at something don't decide how good people much better than themselves are. That's not how that works, in any field.

I don't think you understood the post earlier where I told you you weren't special, and that I don't have any "fight" with you. You seem to be the one wanting a fight with me. I'm just a blunt asshole, you're not special buttercup.

> He was talking mad shit about Small Earth, and had opportunities to back down from his elitist ramblings, but he didn't.

Really wasn't, just stated the obvious.

It's not that >I< look down on small earth. The entire competitive scene does. It's not on MTL, despite MTL having over 50 templates. That tells you pretty clearly what others think of the template. I don't decide what templates are on the MTL, a panel of people who play on the MTL do.

I don't choose the clan league templates either. The reason it isn't in clan league is because it isn't highly regarded by any of the division A clans members.

You beating me at small earth literally proves nothing, other than that you're potentially better than me at something I've never piut any effort into and don't value enough to put effort into.

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