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Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-12 11:37:02


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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This is a good example for how evolution can work. 1 clan has the supremacy here. A 2nd clan is strong as well, but would likely be down in the direct comparison with the other clan. So they find an other niche where they can live in and live well qnd develop their own strength. If there is another niche left there might be a 3rd clan to live well. But if not then the 3rd clan has to find something else. Maybe this clan goes to the forums and complains there about the other 2. ;P

EDIT1: (evolution is a bit different though but separation in niches is an important factor therefore)

EDIT2: although i prefer more strategic templates in general like FB and Gurioma, i prefer to play SE templates on CW. Because I dont need to face good players, that are better in real timing this templates than me. I prefer to play easier opponents that I get on Small Earth to get a better result for my clan. Thats my part occupying niches.

Edited 8/12/2021 11:45:12
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-12 12:16:39


Tac(ky)tical 
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fizzer should just let us have an FFA with all the territory we win and all clans duke it out then we cna take out our angers on clans we dont like
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-12 12:17:18


riskboy88 
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well that would just make the winning clans less winning. this would shift the focus away from winning games to just PR
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-12 17:49:46


rick
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nuke clan wars
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 04:22:24


LND 
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Anyone else finding it amusing that most of the people throwing shade on Masters and MH are from their main competitor, TSFH?
Stop whining.
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 04:29:53


l4v.r0v 
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double-whistleblower time


EDIT: for legal purposes i must clarify that this is faked

Edited 8/13/2021 04:36:12
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 05:53:20


Loxiiv 
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am I colluding in clan brawl for having 3 accounts?
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 10:05:37

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I can't tell if this is a joke thread or just from someone who doesn't understand things.

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=926
What happened here now?
This is the first slot in a looong time where both clans join the same template in mass (I'm talking about 5+ members).

Did I stir something up?


There are 3 templates, of those MH players you see sitting to play the only one with 2v2 ladder skills is me, at top 10 with 1 run. I'd be wasted by any Masters pair there, so i just don't play that 2v2 and neither do the rest of my clan mates. The other is commanders LD which is either a quick win/loss if someone messes up picks or you're looking at 45mins++ of constant clicking and local deploy. There are 2 GG and a Masters there, so that would be 3 long games that we're quite happy to just not play that template!
From Masters side, probably about the same considerations knowing that if they choose 2v2 and find an MH pair the game will take 45mins++... or they play commanders LD and take 45mins++
So we're all squashed into SE1W

Everyone else thought the same with 36/42 choosing SE1W!

Templates are not equal

Do we really need to look at timeslots and say why Masters joined 1 and MH the other? Maybe I'll just tell you the secret
But you have to promise not to post it on the forums.
Pinky promise Kratt?
The average Master is better than the average MH at strategy 1v1 or 2v2

If after 5 seasons TSFH are still working that out... then this wasn't a joke thread

Edited 8/13/2021 10:08:30
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 10:11:35


Kratt 
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Looks like I hit a nerve.
Let me quickfix something for you.

The average Master is better than the average MH
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 10:34:55

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Nerve? no. I just openly dislike cheating and underhand tactics.

Yes, of course the #4 ranked CL clan is on average better than the #11 ranked clan (going by CL). Or the #1 better than the #2 (going by CW). That's exactly why we try to not play against them. Do you always use this flawless logic in your games?

Course, the more times we play each other. The better it is for you.
Masters and MH maybe get 30 games a day each, if we avoid each other then TSFH have 60 games to avoid. If Masters and MH duke it out in 2v2 and leave you free to play the other templates you'd run away with a season.

Next time post your jokes in off topic
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 10:43:13


Kratt 
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Lmao, very very sad, but okay at least you admit it.
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 13:04:30


LND 
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for legal purposes i must clarify that this is faked

This gave me a good laugh
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 13:38:01


Sephiroth
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I appreciate Mylo's honesty, I think his posts pretty much exhaust everything that needs to be said on the topic
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 19:04:27


krinid 
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There are 3 templates, of those MH players you see sitting to play the only one with 2v2 ladder skills is me, at top 10 with 1 run. I'd be wasted by any Masters pair there, so i just don't play that 2v2 and neither do the rest of my clan mates. The other is commanders LD which is either a quick win/loss if someone messes up picks or you're looking at 45mins++ of constant clicking and local deploy. There are 2 GG and a Masters there, so that would be 3 long games that we're quite happy to just not play that template!
From Masters side, probably about the same considerations knowing that if they choose 2v2 and find an MH pair the game will take 45mins++... or they play commanders LD and take 45mins++
So we're all squashed into SE1W

What I actually take away from this is that everyone struggles each timeslot to find a template they (a) like, (b) can win on. Does anyone actually like the way CW is setup right now with the timeslots and the template choices?

(b) is everyone's own problem to deal regardless if it be choosing what you're good at or avoiding what you are actually good but others are better, but (a) is fixable. We've talked about it in other threads also challenging the timeslots and players having to make serious effort to play during the timeslots. TLDR from those threads, my suggestion is make the timeslots hourly and just post every template all at once, and have a checkbox to "slide down if no opponent is found", so there is an order of templates that starts at the bottom with SEAD, SE1W, SECB, S1v1... and if you don't check the box, you don't get a game, no free win. If you do check the box and don't get an opponent, your template changes as far down the list as is necessary to get to SEAD to get you a game. Or just make it like QM and you select which templates you're okay to be matched on (but it still "slides down the list").

It certainly sounds like no one wants to play the 45 min CW template games and only choose them to satisfy condition (b) because there's nothing that meets both (a) and (b). So why are they even templates in rotation? Players should be able to play what they like, not forced to choose from the available poor templates. I've foregone playing CW at all some days b/c the timeslots I could make had what I consider to be crap templates (those 45 min ones). Include all the templates, let people play what they want, and then you'll see what people actually like. Pulling stats showing that people actually choose template X over 2v2 is not an accurate stat, b/c it's only chosen b/c there's no better option, and for many, it's either choose that crap template, or don't play CW that day.

Oh yea, and round robin matching. Every clan plays every clan as much as is possible.

I think these changes would fix the too-much-effort-to-play everyday problem, and also all the matchmaking fuss.

Maybe that wasn't so TLDR. My bad.
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 19:12:07


krinid 
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Anyone else finding it amusing that most of the people throwing shade on Masters and MH are from their main competitor, TSFH?
Stop whining.

LOL ... in this thread, yea, it seems to be ... but now that we've cleared up that Masters isn't partaking in the conjectured collusion, it's really just MH avoiding Masters, I'll point out that Masters have also indicated a desire to change how the matchings work - in order to be paired against MH more often. So not just TSFH.

But fair point . . . what do the others top 10 clans have to say on this? Polish Eagles, Excel, TLA, Sabers, RoK, Python?

NOTE: We're not talking about collusion anymore - we've cleared that up. Masters plays what they want, and MH does their best to avoid them. Fair enough. Tbh, if a dialog popped up when my CW game is ready that asked if I wanted to play vs Masters, MH, or 'any other clan', I'd likely pick 'any other clan' most of the time (but not all of the time - I like to go back and challenge the best sometimes).
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 19:39:30


Loxiiv 
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welcome to the official "why isn't tsfh the best clan this is so unfair" thread, feel free to call masters big mean cheaters to get extra points in clan brawl!!!!!
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 19:40:05


Loxiiv 
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oops wrong account
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 19:42:40


Kratt 
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Who let you off the leash Lox?
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 19:42:45


Tac(ky)tical 
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i say the rating system needs to be changed matchups shouldnt be guranteed based on rating.
Collusion in CW?: 2021-08-13 19:57:03


Arrow838™ 
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Rating should be removed, and matchmaking should be done based on rank. This would be very fair.
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