@SerFen Scouting can be used to avoid being matched with strong players in order to feed your main with weak players after you have seen that there are not high rated ones to be matched with using your alt, the exact opposite of what you are saying.

Once you have cheated enough it doesn't matter if you opponent has 1000 or 200 of rating, you gain always 1 point from your game.

@JK_3 He is in the top of the leaderboard with 4-5 (Who the hell knows how many?) accounts that most probably feed each other. If that's not an issue for you all I am going to bring my alt too and you can't know if it is feeding my main so I am innocent until you show me a link of my cheating since we are all innocents without proofs and this message isn't a proof.

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do you want QMs to become like that?

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Edited 9/28/2021 19:29:52

@Ercole
Let's say I agree with your logic partially. Like, it is possible to use alts in the way you describe. Still, without links to the corrupted games your accusations are not valid. Guilty needs to be proven.

I fear that we will start to block the best players simply because they are the best. In the system where accusations alone are enough and no other evidence is required, we will soon have literally no active community. Do you want WZ to become like that?

Also, I still don't see how any person, no matter how many alts he use, could beat a superior in skill and relatively active player. This player will regularly win a lot of points from all those alts and if he eventually meet the main account of the so called “cheater”, this will be a complete disaster for the latter. Yes, cheater can get high in the rating, but will easily become the feeder himself to a person whom he simply can't beat in the open field.

Playing against yourself is rule-breaking, but having multiple accounts on QM (afaict) isn't. Do you have evidence that Ozi has played against his alts?

Barring that, many players have used QM with alts (including several moderators[1]). QM uses the TrueSkill rating system so there's not much opportunity for abuse without directly playing yourself, unlike the 1v1 ladder. Also, it's QM. The ratings are there mainly for matchmaking and virtually no one takes it seriously as a competitive event. The impact of manipulating QM ratings is so low that it's realistically not worth caring about. If you couldn't multi-account on QM, that would take away one of the best avenues for leveling up an alt (and also be pretty hard to enforce, since it would require automating multi-account detection to work at scale or otherwise create a lot of moderation load for an already-overwhelmed team).

There's already a built-in punishment: the penalty for cheating in QM is being the sort of person that would care enough about QM rating to cheat at QM. Even a perma-ban is a drop in the bucket compared to that level of shame.

Ozi, if you ever play him, is legitimately one of the very best players on SE. So he also gets near-zero utility out of inflating his QM rating.

1: https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=35127482809, https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=31105111944 for example

Edited 9/29/2021 00:47:30

@Ercole

do you want QMs to become like that?

I think what we're kind of asking here is ... what do you want QMs to be like? Some gets accused, and it's now up to him to prove he's innocent, else ... some type of punishment occurs? Account gets banned? And what would constitute proof of non-cheating? Does he have to list every game he's every played? How does a player prove that all the accounts he's ever played against are not his alts?

I'm not trolling here, it's a serious question - hypothetically assuming that there is cheating going on, how do you propose to solve this problem you've described?

literally this forum is useless.
a.almost no one cares about QM ratings and
B. Assuming this guy is cheating,and does not deserve the rating he has.. Just ask to 1v1 him on SE if you are so confident.PROVE he's not as good as his rating shows.

Edited 9/29/2021 03:35:17

@JK_3 He is in the top of the leaderboard with 4-5 (Who the hell knows how many?) accounts that most probably feed each other. If that's not an issue for you all I am going to bring my alt too and you can't know if it is feeding my main so I am innocent until you show me a link of my cheating since we are all innocents without proofs and this message isn't a proof.

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do you want QMs to become like that?

About 20% of the top 100 global leaderboards is an alt. QM has been like that for a long time. Just having alts in QM doesn't mean you're cheating or playing against yourself. If you're accusing someone of that then you're going to have to bring proof.

Feeding yourself with your alts is, most likely, not worth the hassle. There's very limited control over who you match up against, so you'd have to keep both of your accounts at the top to make the chance of a direct matchup as big as possible. However, one of your accounts will constantly lose and take the hit for the other, meaning you constantly have to play randoms just to stay on top with that account. Effectively you have to legitimately become first with one account just so it can feed your other account. You have to do this with the handicap of always losing against your other account and constantly taking hits, meaning you have less room to lose against the randos if you want to keep your 91% win rate up.

EDIT: It also feels like you're slightly mistaken. While QM ratings give a rough estimate of one's skill it is mainly an indicator of activity and how many games one has played. Most players in the Strat community are able to maintain at least an 85% win rate and a lot will be towards or over the 91% required to keep your rating rising. At that point, it's just about how many games you're willing to play. A lot of the players in the top 150 could probably make it into the top 15 if they really wanted to. It's just a lot of work (generally only rising 1 rating per win) and just not worth it. Its much more fun to keep it casual.

Edited 9/29/2021 06:57:49

So you're saying that, if Ozi actually did cheat to get to the top of the QM leaderboard, that's actually more impressive than getting to the top normally?

If he's trying to keep two accounts on top, whilst feeding his 1st account with his 2nd account it's at least more work. It gives the main account a higher rating, but makes it more difficult for the 2nd account to stay in 2nd. Unless there's hidden mechanics that I'm not aware of :D

@Serfen Even if the method does not work 1 time every 100 games you have still gained 90 points in those 100 games so if you are already between the best players like he is (never denied it), that makes you the top scorer of the leaderboard with your main "undisputed god", a thing that sucks a lot.

@krind it seems that here they are shaming me for accusing him, not him for cheating...

@jman as I have shown in my previous messages I have already beaten him on his alt and that is between the main reasons why I think he's a cheater and it's not possible that he reached that huge rating without playing against his alts.

@Min34 it is not worth it but he did it the same just to flex in the leaderboard, if noone is going to block him or his alts I don't see why I should not do the same to dispute the "undisputed god".

Just to make this clear once again, accusing someone of cheating without any evidence is an absolutely pathetic thing to do, mildly speaking.

as I have shown in my previous messages I have already beaten him on his alt and that is between the main reasons why I think he's a cheater and it's not possible that he reached that huge rating without playing against his alts.

That's not much to go off of.

If you check the SE Masters tournaments, you'll find ample evidence that Ozijs legitimately is among the best SE players. Congratulations on winning against him once.

Here's some of his example games, taken from Kenghis' https://bit.ly/SE-guide:
- https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=26583337
- https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=22749898
- https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=22592030

I don't know if it's consensus, but I've asked some really really good SE players before who they think is the best SE player they've played against, and Ozijs was among the most common answers. At worst he's maybe only among the very best but easily capable of getting to the top of QM (since, as Min34 pointed out, most serious players don't take QM seriously). So great job beating him, but you've got so little to go off of before pointing fingers...

Back in my day, you were supposed to write 11 page exposes to prove cheating and even that wasn't enough. Now you can just go off of "idk I don't think he's that good lol"

C'mon, Gnuffone, you're better than this.

Edited 9/29/2021 07:27:32

@Min34 it is not worth it but he did it the same just to flex in the leaderboard, if noone is going to block him or his alts I don't see why I should not do the same to dispute the "undisputed god".

Give it a try and prove us all wrong, and you will be our new SE god.

Give it a try and prove us all wrong, and you will be our new SE god.

Ok let's join the dark side slaying little lambs with 300 of rating.

Edit: the little lambs took pity on me, (https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=28394333) plus I don't want to join his madness even if I remain with my opinion that the leaderboard like it is now sucks a lot.

I tried to join with a Lativian vpn account to see their national leaderboard and to show you how he played mostly against himself but it seems there is no national leaderboard for Lativia.

Edited 9/29/2021 14:10:14

it seems that here they are shaming me for accusing him, not him for cheating...

I am starting to think you are reading this thread only partially or even lack a proper education, if you still don't understand what is wrong with your accusations.

Go on with your “dark side”. Will be funny to see you banned for a finally proven cheating. Oh, and be careful, my envious friend, don't forget to turn on your ultimate skill or you might risk becoming a lamb by yourself.

no latvian national leaderboard existing brings this to a rest

If you check the SE Masters tournaments, you'll find ample evidence that Ozijs legitimately is among the best SE players.

+1

Stop being jealous about the fact that you havnt been invited to SE masters tournament @Ercole. I dont think that a single player there would select you over Ozijs in terms of SE skills. And i am quite sure that majority of people who are very good in SE would accept that Ozijs is one of the "best" SE player in wz

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You just continue to say the same things in repetition, I am not repeating myself again.

Edited 9/29/2021 14:52:38

I am repeating cause you arnt understanding. Dont know why you are still held bent to prove that Ozijs is a cheater without any proof.

You know what, it seems that you all want his multiple accounts in the top of the leaderboard having him playing on purpose vs noobs infinitely, let your idiot "undisputed god" take all the leaderboard, when 2+2 does not make 4 it is useless to continue to talk.

Dude its not his fault that he is too good at this game and so everyone who he plays is kindof a noob for him.