OK, this is post 141 ,the beginning of the 8th page. The previous 7 pages contains massive amounts of debating, long messages and images and controversy, where reading or even skirming through the entire thing is sheer pain. So, this is all the arguments I have generalized, and believe that a LOT of detail and controversy is excluded:

1. Templates are limited to the batch of 9 formed over a year ago and lacks variety. Shall revamp the templates to opt in more popular templates, or random maps. (same problem for QMs)
2. Some of the existing templates have more players than some. I've seen 20 players in one of the template queues and 4 on the other. Plus, timeslot with 2 templates available is more popular than those with 1. Consider adding the template-per-timeslot to at least an average of 3 to 4.
3. Seasons are getting too long and territory captures are taking too many wins. 3-4 weeks is a comfort spot.
4. Time slots are too western-oriented. This can cause burnout and literal effort given, making players leave CW. Either revamp the time slots or localise them, such as me in HK, day shifts always end at midnight HKT.
5. The clan war thing relies on participation to win, which in addition to a 40-player limit, which is too much for competitive clans, makes CW a chore to fill up 40 players per day, which makes interest go away. Consider decreasing the players-per-clan limit to something like 25.
6. Lack of advertising makes new people not know about CW at all, hence decreasing player amount and general exposure.
7. The rewards are all Idle-related items. Although this is due to the nature of being an indie, free-to-play game which Idle is literally your business model, but this, again, loses interest to hardcore players. Consider revamping the awards system, the artefact system or even the entire business model.
8. This is the main anger point. Fizzer, the owner, is too ignorant, only cares about the business model, his interest contradict with the playerbase, doesn't listen to the forum but relying on his ages old website that nobody uses, and doesn't care about the clan wars in general.

Our chief executive, Carrie Lam, is often blamed for not listening to, or adapting the ideas and thoughts of the people, so even the people demanded, she doesn't listen, instead using ways such as the National Security Law or the election system revamp to try to get rid of opposition. I hope warzone doesn't end up in that.

This is my exercise in reading comprehension and writing, all is done in half an hour, if there are any mistakes, feel free to correct, and please rate this thing out of 100 points.

hmm, mixing up politics?
What can I say, Carrie Lam early recognises that being against Beijing will get you nowhere politically on the long-term.
Nit happy with the choices, but it's the political reality.

Same for Fizzer.
If the money flows through Idle, that's how he'll survive.
Without the money from Idle, how would WarZone itself develop?
Because budgetary it has always been on the tight side, and Idle apparently lifted some restrictions temporarily.

And through the Arenas, it did bring a few new players.


Also: thank you for the summary.

nit:

only cares about the business model

isn't what I was going for

Rather "the current disconnect may be forced by the business model, not a communication error." There's some context to this thread because players have for ages been saying this might boil down to just communication. This is just my alternative hypothesis for the root cause.

Without the money from Idle, how would WarZone itself develop?

Many ways to skin a cat.

Our chief executive, Carrie Lam, is often blamed for not listening to, or adapting the ideas and thoughts of the people, so even the people demanded, she doesn't listen, instead using ways such as the National Security Law or the election system revamp to try to get rid of opposition. I hope warzone doesn't end up in that.

fun fact:
Both "executive" and "execute" (as in execution) come from Latin exsequi ("follow up, punish").

This is more than mere coincidence. Authority should be disposable and vulnerable, rather than entrenched and powerful.

Edited 12/22/2021 22:33:11

half becoming a political thread about hong kong. ha

I'm just saying even Carrie Lam would have fixed Clan Wars by now.

LOL that tagline is gold 111

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=7&Timeslot=1734 look at this horrible slot :/

get ready for a 1 template slot tomorrow....

You shouldn't be playing WZ/CW on Cmas day anyhow, JK! (;


Merry Christmas!

christmas 1000 raffle at a random time on christmas day anyone?!?!?!

You shouldn't be playing WZ/CW on Cmas day anyhow, JK! (;

If everyone does that we will have 1 template slots until NYE......

I all but gave up CW

First the time change really screwed me up.

Second, it’s season is too long. Templates are shit. SEAD should be on every slot; I don’t WANT to play an hour long game.

Third, rewards are whatever. It’s so top heavy with the clans fighting at top. Rewards for the rest are take it or leave it. Outside the first few, who cares

Season should be a lot shorter now, but the template options and rewards are still rather dissapointing.

SE maps are much faster than most other maps, especially SEAD.

Sometimes, I really don't want to play an hour long game.

As a social experiment to demonstrate the futility of suggestions and feedback for this game, I made a uservoice asking for SE to be guaranteed in every time slot:
https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warzone-features/suggestions/44608599-clan-wars-guarantee-small-earth-in-every-time-slo

Please vote for it. The more votes this Uservoice gets before it inevitably gets dismissed or ignored (usually with a cursory rationalization that fails to respond to arguments long since already made, with no follow-up responses afterward... and that's if we're lucky enough for the content of the Uservoice itself to get actually read), the more justified we can feel afterward in our crushing disappointment.

Or the social experiment may totally backfire and Clan Wars may actually improve. Win-win.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

Edited 12/25/2021 17:42:07

I just freed up all my votes to cast all my votes for this. And I think that in itself is already supporting evidence for your hypothesis. My votes were for items originally posted in 2010, 2017 & 2019, none of them have responses, none are closed, etc. So if the majority of items go (presumably) unread & unresponded to, is there any purpose of posting there?

I put 3 votes down on your item, anyway, just to support the cause. 3 seems to be the max, so now I have 2 more votes I freed up still left. Any other good causes to rally behind?

Edited 12/25/2021 22:43:34

As a social experiment to demonstrate the futility of suggestions and feedback for this game, I made a uservoice asking for SE to be guaranteed in every time slot

and while you're at it, change the name from Clan Wars to Small Earth Grind.....because why not

Edited 12/25/2021 23:33:13

No need to make perfect the enemy of better or we just get mired in the status quo.

If there's a single template slot, is there a case for it to be anything other than SE? Sure, SE sucks for good players- it's boring, grindy, and often decided by chance- but having it in the mix always is a necessity for a casual event, especially an RT one.

As a meta note, if we bicker over details and shoot down improvements because they're not enough, we make it easier to dismiss feedback offhand- because if we can't agree on how CW should work, then that makes it seem like what we have now is close to as good as we can get. But if we accept small, obvious improvements even when they're not perfect, we can actually make progress. Or we can come up with increasingly complex solutions to try and fix everything at once, constantly litigate their details, and learn to love the cauliflower & pickle pizza because we can't decide between pepperoni and sausage.

If we can make headway with this simple push, then the next one could be about how to make CW less grindy and more fun for good players.

Edited 12/26/2021 05:48:36

@mods
Change the title back. This is nightmare fuel.

what wad the title beforr

r/ihadastroke