https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=36770903

Anyone knows how does winner of VTE on MTL is decided?
I lost points for this game. I had more armies controled, but he had more territories controled and income

Random or seasonal ladder force finish formula I guess.

I believe VTE will have the same effect as a mutual non-join, a winner is randomly decided.

should be seasonal force finish formula but reversed to punish the coward voting on an advantageous position!

If you vote to end the winner is chosen randomly. The game text in every MTL game (that I’m sure nobody reads anymore) says if you VTE it will be counted as a loss, which isn’t quite right, but should be enough to communicate that you shouldn’t do it.

Would be fairer to penalize both parties for a VTE since it's not warzone itself randomly coming up with a winner, no? (Or to treat it as a draw to maintain rating average as to avoid the concern Norman expressed.)

Edited 1/21/2024 18:52:55

Would be fairer to penalize both parties for a VTE since it's not warzone itself randomly coming up with a winner, no? (Or to treat it as a draw to maintain rating average as to avoid the concern Norman expressed.)

Yes it would, but the problem is that this deflates ladder elo. Those points lost from the game will never be recovered, and as a result, games where both players lose will make it so the average elo slowly goes down and down over time.

We could come up with a better way to deal with this, but ultimately the expectation is that nobody should ever VTE a MTL game, so I’m not going to spend time thinking about how to handle that situation. Choosing a random winner is easy and doesn’t have an impact on rating inflation, so I see no reason to change it.

Let's do this again!

ideally both players forfeit the win, but also its a nonissue, just dont vte

I had to full deploy + attack and he had to full deploy and just sit, whoever did anything else would lose. This is first time I ever had this situation and it had to be vte or it would never end lol

If it was myself, I would just play a new game on the template and whoever won that gets to win the MDL game

Apologies to everyone who just got games. There was a bug that created them, so please don't join them. I will delete them and make sure this doesn't happen again.

What if you already joined them?

I have now deleted all the games. If both players have joined, I can't delete it, but from what I can tell, that hasn't occurred. Sorry again for the confusion.

Thank you Beren for the quick fix!

The MTL has been back up for about a month and a half, and in that time we've been working on various enhancements. You may have noticed some of them, but I'd like to call them out here in case you haven't.

• When logged in, you can see your head-to-head record against any player by visiting their profile page
  
• When logged in, you can filter only games you played against any player on their profile page
  
• Display the number of games needed to get the trophy if the player in first doesn't have it yet
  
• Display the count of the number of games completed in first place if the player in first already has the trophy
  
• Display the name of the template for each game in the recently finished games table on the homepage
  
• Display number of currently ranked players on the ladder on the homepage
  
• Display the number of unexpired games for a player on their profile page
  
• Automatically update clan icons when they are changed on Warzone
  
• Automatically remove of players from the ladder after 10 non-joins
  
• Sort players based on their un-rounded ratings (previously players with the same displayed rating were ranked randomly)
  
• Improved the efficiency of the back-end ladder runs. Run-time was reduced by 85%
  
• Increased resiliency of front-end webapp
  
• Fixed template names for Earthsea, Númenor, and Yin'angzhou
  
• Fixed game messages for Warhammer and Master Mania
  
• Assorted bug-fixes
  
  EDIT: Also fixed game message for Unicorn Island (thanks Rento for calling it out)
  

Edited 2/12/2024 20:07:16

Nice, awesome work Beren! (and I assume Justin?)

Yep, Justin has been very helpful and also contributed several of these updates himself!

Thanks Beren and Justin, those are some nice updates!