What you do not understand, even if there is no religion, will still be a war, it's not about religion, it's about values and tolerance, for example, you talk about the movement of radical Islam, even Muslims are not sure really what is really the Koran, because all the versions, For now it seems that most people died because of the parties atheistic (Nazism and communism), and civil wars big, it's not about religion, people will always find what to fight, honor, religion, money, national and world view, should just teach people to be tolerant,,, Assad massacre in so many Syrian them to be quiet, why then no one accused the western atheist Assad?

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Christians= don't cut out.

Gay marriage, trans rights, abortion, etc....

just teach people to be tolerant

Fucking lol. I hope you aren't serious, because you are the worst person to give advice on tolerance.

We are not suppose to mistreat those people even if they don't belive what we belive.

And btw, Science victory is far better than culture, but you're just a christian so I don't blame you for making that mistake *pats head*

That depends on what civ you are and how the game is going.

Depending on how I want to play ( in this case cultural ), I pick different civs.
I like playing as Ethiopia since Stele is such OP at an early stage. While other nations have just started getting policies regularly, you've been hitting a new one every 5 turns because of the cultural bonuses from your strong faith. Turtling up makes things even better.

If I want to play as Science, I go Nebu ( OP science production early on, and then depending on how you go with your specialists you could get another one before Medieval for super OP science ). Some people like to pick Sejong and Ashurbanipal, but I think the tech boosts don't cut it when you could have +8 science every turn. And, Early game conquests can really lead to economic ruin with Ashurbanipal.

That said, the SDC victories are all a little lame being all late-game focused, meanwhile Domination is the coolest just because you can win by Turn 150 potentially as Rome ( or Byzantium ).

A true Christian belief is one of love and compassion. Christianity teaches homosexuality is a sin. However, we are all sinners. I don't support gay marriage in any way, because I am a Christian, and believe it is wrong. But I think many Christians treat homosexuality as an almost "unforgivable sin" which is not what the Bible teaches. Every sin is forgivable because of Jesus' death on the cross. I think transgenders would be considered in the same boat as homosexuals from a biblical perspective.

Too often Christians are judged based on the opinions of some rather than by the majority. The media also blows some stories out of proportion about Christianity and their "anti-gay" remarks.

Abortion is murder depending on when you believe life actually starts. From the Christian perspective, life starts at conception, therefore it is murder. Christians are not the only people to believe this. Have you ever seen an abortion performed? If more women that might potentially get an abortion were to watch those videos, I believe that many would change their mind about getting an abortion. As for whether or not it should be illegal, I would prefer it to be illegal at any point. However, I know many people in the US will disagree with me. At Day 18, the heart starts beating. Week 22 is when some babies can survive outside the womb. At Week 20, a fetus can feel pain. As you can see, this is a very complicated debate based on when life technically starts, and is open to interpretation. This is not a Christians vs non-Christians debate. Rather, it's a "Life starts at conception vs Life starts when the heart starts beating vs when the fetus can feel pain vs when the baby can survive."

Christians= don't cut out.

Gay marriage, trans rights, abortion, etc....

Gays can quit being gay, still have gay relationships, and do all those filthy things
Same with transexualism

And abortion can be argued as murder.

Ugh, I came to this topic to discuss ISIS and then I read Lawlz's posts......

It's sad when certain people take serious problems like this and just use it as ammo for some petty war against religion. I'm honestly sick of people saying, "Religion is evil because religious people have done bad stuff".

>Implying religion is the sole source of violence in the world.

Should we take a look at the few examples we've had of Atheist states? First you have the Soviet Union, which slaughtered/imprisoned many religious people just for having a religion. Since you like Wikipedia so much:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_persecution_in_Communist_Romania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Eastern_Bloc

That's just for starters. Tell me, is this and cases like it justification for declaring Atheism to be evil in violent? Or perhaps we should point the finger at Communism and state that it is evil as well? By your logic yes would be an appropriate answer to either question.

How many people have been killed over money? I guess it's time we immediately abolish all monetary systems and remove evil capitalist governments in the world. Afterall, they follow an ideology which leads to violence! We could also get into all the crimes that have been done for the sake of political power, should we rid ourselves of politics?

Here's my point: You can't blame an entire group for what certain members have done in the past. It's honestly a ridiculous line of thought that could be used to outlaw anything. Christianity can't be held responsible for the crusades, and neither can Atheism be held responsible for the atrocities of the Soviets.

TL,DR: Every group has done horrible things at one point. Don't use religion as a scapegoat for all the world's problems.

I guess it's time we immediately abolish all monetary systems and remove evil capitalist governments in the world.

It's been suggested before...

That's called socialism or communism. Those country don't do so well (N Korea, soviet russia)

No, even North Korea and the USSR had money.

I'm talking about people who advocate absolute removal of fiat money from society. Hitchiker's guide to the galaxy explains it well.

Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy. And so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable...Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.

I'm talking about these people...

My freind read that book. And yes you right those people have lots of money but I ment civil wise Equality etc( by those people I ment the nations)

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That is the intro from book four...

and you edited out the digital watches bit...

Gays can quit being gay

Wrong

Same with transexualism

Wrong on sooooooo many levels

And abortion can be argued as murder.

Can be, but it should be a choice, because that's how freedom works.

petty war against religion.

It's not a war on religion, but it's not like I'll sit here and listen about how it's so peaceful when it's not.

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And to Eklipses entire post, Atheism is not a religion. It's simply non belief. So no, it is not the same as blaming Christianity for wars, but I'm not blaming the whole of christianity for being an evil society that needs to be banned. I think everyone is entitled to a belief and it should be respected to an extent, but it should be kept out of law, out of science, and out of public schools. It is a belief and a way of life, much like being a vegan. But do not tell me that the Bible and the Quran are peaceful, when you can't even write a book without making contradictions left and right.

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Edit, forgot to respond to JSA.

A true Christian belief is one of love and compassion

Mixed in with slavery, bigotry, racism, sexism and more

Christianity teaches homosexuality is a sin. However, we are all sinners. I don't support gay marriage in any way, because I am a Christian, and believe it is wrong.

And yet, we allow you to exist even though plenty of people think being christian is wrong and against our beliefs. You're allowed to be married, have christian children, build tax free buildings to preach and praise in, and spread your word like the flu. But god forbid someone be allowed to marry another of the same sex who they love, and form a happy life.

many Christians treat homosexuality as an almost "unforgivable sin"

Yeah that man-made sin hierarchy is a pain in the ass, isn't it?

Abortion is murder depending on when you believe life actually starts.

It entirely depends on your situation. Why should a rape victim have to live through pregnancy, especially after the traumatic experience she's been through? I want abortion legal for rape cases, and rape cases only. It's not something I want every teenage girl doing as a hobby, nor would I imagine anyone wants that. It's a not Plan C, it's not birth control, and it's not a condom. It's help.

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Religion won't allow us to ban it from our school, law, governments etc part of religion is to spread it. And if your so concerned about freedom you wouldn't ban these things. Banning someone's ideals isn't called freedom it's called oppression

"It entirely depends on your situation. Why should a rape victim have to live through pregnancy, especially after the traumatic experience she's been through? I want abortion legal for rape cases, and rape cases only. It's not something I want every teenage girl doing as a hobby, nor would I imagine anyone wants that. It's a not Plan C, it's not birth control, and it's not a condom. It's help. " She has to live for it cause God told her to. To kill the baby is considered murder. She can put the baby up for adoption if she wants.

"A true Christian belief is one of love and compassion"
Mixed in with slavery, bigotry, racism, sexism and more

1 we do allow slavery but their are strict rules of how to treat them

2 How many times to I have to say we treat others equally

3 people in the 1800's used the story were God cursed a man "and his decedent's" as an excuse for slavery. God never cursed his decendants. Those peolpe didn't follow the slavery rules what so ever.

4 man have their place and jobs woman have theirs. Men are not allowed to mistreat woman.




The religion is peaceful it's the pepole who take its name to do injustice who aren't.

Alex is right on one accord : that woman NEEDS to have her baby.

Otherwise, her gashmoigitty will look too good and she'll get raped again.

My friend hacked my account and changed my name.

Also there's a time limit to how long a person can be a slave 6 years of work and on the 7th you give them a choice if they want to be free.

I'd like to distinguish 3 different kinds of responsibility of a belief system for crimes committed in it's name:
- Category 1: The belief system encourages those crimes directly.
- Category 2: The belief system doesen't directly encourage those crimes but you can interpret it to the extreme (pervert it in some ways) to find a justification.
- Category 3: Using the belief system to justify your crimes is complete and utter nonsense.

From my little knowledge of Islam what the IS is doing doesen't seem to fall into 'Category 3'. Hitler for example perverted darwinism with his belief in a German SuperRace superior to all other races.

I'm pretty sure that most crimes committed in the name of Chrisianity fall into Category 3. However the bible isn't a collection of quotations so if someone takes a small bible passage, rips it out of context and allegorises it to his liking then this is his own responsibility.

Some examples:
- Noah cursed Canaan and not Ham. Canaan is the grandfather of the Canaanites and those people weren't black.
- The Crusades: Christianity doesen't have any holy sites / holy lands that need to be reclaimed. There also is no concept of a pope with the authority to order a holy war against unbelievers. During the first days of Christianity the Emperor Nero was at power who is known for slaughtering Christians. The bible then contains instructions for believers on how to live a godly life under such difficult circumstances. A christian ruler however calling himself "Holy Father", forcing kings to bend to his will,... I mean come on.
- Because you are talking about slavery: You are mixing up the rules given to Israel with instructions to Christians. Many of the early Christians were slaves and some were slavers. The bible then contains instructions for the slaves on how to live a godly life under slavery and also some instructions for their masters. The letter from Paul to Philemon is about his run away slave Onesimus who also returned to his master with this letter.

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