"Don't eat my brain!"

Edited 1/28/2016 12:30:15

Ok, this is a mess now. This need to stop. We all are upset to spend so many time here to go nowhere.

I would like to thank Chris and Lolowut for the work they did, and particularly Chris for the good competition he creates with a very good feeling. But now this need to be more "profesionnal".

It's not a good way to fixed new rules during a competitions !

There were announcements few months ago :
- makeups only if boot in pick stage
- makeups would only be done if offered

I was personnaly not really agree with these rules (as I already said) but these were the starting rules, so there it is ! It was clear and I was fine with it. The rules for CL7 should not change now.

By the past, FC got many boots, and never cried for this. We accepted our fate with phlegm and get revelant players out of the Clan: it's normal the team get the punishment for that, not the competition.

The French Community will stop this discussion about CL7 now. Our team will only discuss about next season now.

We will not do more makeups, we will just play our last games. If makeups have to be played according to organizers, so let's count us some looses. We don't care.

Edited 1/28/2016 23:20:12

Division B: 1 game to go
Division C: 3 games to go
Division D1: 2 games to go
Division D2: all games played


Division A: 15 games to go


And you guys want to remake 30+ games, too?

Currently 3/5 drama. Could skyrocket to 5/5 if we demand all our games are made up. Decisions, decisions.

If we demand make up games and are booted on picks again, can we demand make ups to the make ups?

"No limits"

@Sephiroth:

I don't think it's fair to hold A to the same standards as B/C/D. A is the flagship of Clan League, the one that really matters the most (by far); A has to be a paragon of legitimacy and accuracy (especially given the clusterfuck going on with D1/D2 realistically being D and F with some C teams in it). The winners of B/C/D don't get to say they "won Clan League" (at least not if they want to be taken seriously), but even a difference between 2nd and 3rd place is huge up here. If those 30 games bring accuracy, I don't see why it's such a hassle when it's what's needed to make Clan League great again.

@knyte, I understand that Division A is in some ways more important than the lower divisions, but in a promotion/relegation league you still need to have consistent rules between the leagues. In addition, the league loses a lot of momentum when there is a huge lag time between a season ending and a new season beginning.

HHH stalling the league is IMO at least as big a deal as the make-up situation.

ETA: Is Blitz even going to be able to field a team for next season? If not, maybe just forfeit HHH's remaining games and get on with the tournaments. If they are playing next season, then that's not fair, obviously.

Edited 1/28/2016 13:43:36

"it's what's needed to make Clan League great again. "

wut

Why would blitz not have a team? I know a few people left, but they certainly have 6+ active decent players.

What about AHol? lawm and Ace are here, but didn't 2-3 players just get booted this league? It looks like they have enough active though.

too early to talk about Blitz
Give us some time

AHoL's possible players for next clan league (assuming no new recruits and no leavers): 13CHRIS37, lawm, Ace Windu, lobstrosity and...? NZPhoenix is suspended, CONQUISTADORS & Pooh are wrapping up their games / preparing to leave (assuming they will leave before CL8), Eman seems inactive. MilitaryManiac... maybe? 6 days idle. BishesUpInErr is the person in a clan that has been inactive for the longest. MAYBE NoobSchool, if he does play next one (I don't think he played in this league, and even if he did, he usually plays for Apex, no?) and MAYBE MilitaryManiac, but he's been gone for 6 days.

So, if all of my assumptions are correct (I made a lot of them, so that's a stretch) then AHoL can't field a team for CL8 unless something happens.

^CHRIS has been inactive a long time (161 days ago)

Edited 1/28/2016 18:29:09

True, I didn't notice that. A possible AHoL roster would just be lob, lawm and Ace. If Pooh or CONQUISTADORS don't retire before CL8, then they have them, and perhaps Noob, if he's not too busy. Possibly Military? There are too many ands, ifs, and buts, for it to be solid, unless they get a new recruit or 2.

I don't think it's fair to hold A to the same standards as B/C/D. A is the flagship of Clan League, the one that really matters the most (by far); A has to be a paragon of legitimacy and accuracy (especially given the clusterfuck going on with D1/D2 realistically being D and F with some C teams in it).

I think having different rules for each division would be unfair. No other division clans seem to be complaining about boots. Why can't group A just accept boots and move on?

If those 30 games bring accuracy, I don't see why it's such a hassle when it's what's needed to make Clan League great again.

I'll tell you why it's a hassle. A season in the Clan league takes half a year to complete. Replaying even 10 games on 3v3 translates to about 2-3 months of delay(looking at historical time to complete).

But even with all this drama or whatever, the clan league is BY FAR the best competition on Warlight as far as I'm concerned. It is the one competition where a majority of top players come out and play. Even ladders don't see so many top players in my opinion.

I think above all, League A should take the clan league seriously, and be invested enough as to not be booted. With Darkpie, he mysteriously dissapeared, so it is understandable why he was booted from so many games. However, if you're in the clan league, it is your obligation to not be booted. Especially for League A, which is comprised of the "best" clans, the competition is very tough. So why does A have so many boots? It seems like the league has become a contest of who is more active versus who is more skilled.

Perhaps we should make an unofficial rule among competitive clans, that if a clanmate goes inactive without warning during a competition like clan league, promotion/relegation league etc, that clanmate is kicked from the clan. That's not really what you want representing your clan, hmm?

motd is correct, you can't have different rules by division. it must be standard.

we care about boot%, but you can't make another clan care about that.

Yeah, but if another clan doesn't care about boot% then shouldn't they have to live with having unreliable players? I agree that boot wins don't say anything about skill, so are not ideal in a competition like this, but boots are bad and there should be a penalty to getting booted. They make it more complicated to run the league, and are disrespectful to the other players in the game who put thought into their picks for no reason as they have to do the same thing again in the makeup game.

Maybe a compromise would be that makeup games would be made after a boot on picks if the booted clan requests it, but only for half points (i.e. in a boot in a 1v1 game where A was booted against B, B would get 1.5 points and the winner of the makeup game get the remaining 1.5 points).

In my opinion it should not be optional to accept remakes - this just punishes the sportsmanlike clans that accept remakes.

One more thing - I like Qi's suggestion to stagger the starting of tournaments. What if all clans had to submit a lineup for all tournaments at the start, but only the 3v3s and 2v2s are started immediately. Then after a delay of 2-4 weeks the legue organizer creates the 1v1s. Clan leaders have the opportunity to amend their lineups for 1v1s up until the 1v1 tournaments are created in case some player is noticed to become inactive or wants to reduce their games at that point.

This would prevent players who are playing in quite a few tournaments from getting overwhelmed at the league's start and would hopefully help to limit boots.

Stats: Is anyone interested in making a +/- stat for each player? This along with the winning % stat would be interesting.

Win = Plus however many points the game is worth
Lose = Minus however many points the game is worth
There could even be a +/- per game stat

An example based on what I know, in case this isn't clear: My teams are 5-1 in the 2v2 (20 points - 4 points) and will be 4-2 in the 3v3 (20 points - 10 points).

+/-: +26
+/- per Game: 26/12 = +2.17

Edited 1/30/2016 07:14:36