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Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 00:25:00


Major General Smedley Butler
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Yeah you don't know anything about firearms if you suggest "heavy weaponry" for self defense.

"Oh darn, some dolt broke into my house, time for the crew-serviced Anti-Tank gun. Wife, kids! Come help dad blow a man in half!"
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 00:31:59


#The Prussian Job-Oh yeah, baby...
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Why do you hate me so much?-No, I never declared firearms to be heavy weaponry. Heavy weaponry is for miltary use only; Only light weponry like knifes and guns for matters of self-defension; Also I do not talk about your corrupted american meaning of self-defense, but of the civilzed european meaning of self-defense.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 00:36:41


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Light and Heavy Weaponry only for self-defense.

The European meaning of self-defense is attack, attack, attack. Something the American government picked up from you blokes, among other things.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 03:01:17

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let ban guns
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 08:22:57


Angry Koala
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The European meaning of self-defense is attack, attack, attack.


By "European meaning" you have to explain it to me better what was your point here?

And I noticed you still did not answered my question: Are you unable to give any worth explanations?

Edited 4/21/2016 09:16:41
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 12:28:14


Major General Smedley Butler
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You asked a question? Oh I'll try to answer.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 12:31:22


Major General Smedley Butler
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No just no, you know I am against all money spent by governments, I'm a anarchist. You're just being ridiculous if you actually think I'm for government spending money.

Socialists are for more authoritarianism and gun control is authoritarian leaning, easy to get right?
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 12:38:07


Angry Koala
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Socialists are for more authoritarianism and gun control is authoritarian leaning, easy to get right?


Depends, Revolutionary socialists tend to oppose gun control because they want to arm the working class, while democratic socialists tend to be mixed on this issue, easy also to get I guess right?

Edited 4/21/2016 12:38:31
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 13:07:03


Major General Smedley Butler
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Well. The black panthers were pro-gun because their revolution depended on the people's side while Sandernists are anti-gun because their revolution depends on them being on the governments side. I think that's a good summarization of the ulterior motives of the two groups :p
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-21 23:27:32


#The Prussian Job-Oh yeah, baby...
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The European meaning of self-defense is not "attack, attack, attack" so I guess you were sarcastic on here, bro?!
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 00:31:09


Major General Smedley Butler
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To deny Europe's history of imperialism and it's current imperialism is quite dull.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 00:49:33


Angry Koala
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To deny Europe's history of imperialism and it's current imperialism is quite dull.


Sure, sure, total Major-esque hypocrisy again. America is innocent now? Use appropriate words at least: "Westerners", this comprises everybody at least. And as for Europe I do not know what you really want to say, but many nations can't be defined as "imperialists", or do you consider Croatia, Belarus, Ireland, Estonia or Slovakia as imperialist nations now?
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 00:53:17


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No but the main European countries (Russia, France, Britain, and Germany) are definitely imperialist. To deny America taking European style imperialist thought from Europe is like denying that American culture is largely English based.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 00:57:53


Angry Koala
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This is more correct, not as previously as "Europe" is indeed very vague. As for the US, it is not something that was brought from Europe, or the US taking "European style imperialist thought", the United States were like this since the very beginning.
And as for "European style imperialist thought" it is irrelevant, it is like saying Chinese imperialism does not exist, or will you say it was also brought from Europe? It does not originate form one continent in particular, imperialism is a notion that historically encompasses many cultures and people around the world.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 01:04:40


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Well using the reason to protect business interests to put military forces in area is definitely a European style imperialism strategy. The US used it against Spain, and a collection of Latin American countries. High tariffs to hurt other countries economies is another European strategy , taken by the US government.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 01:11:17


Angry Koala
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Not really, you can find similar examples through history around the world: China used to protect its own business interests along the Silk Road for centuries as an example.
As for the US, in terms of culture it was created by "Europeans" (more precisely British people), so it is not really surprising to see many policies and cultural characteristics shared by both continents.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 03:09:55


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Use appropriate words at least: "Westerners", this comprises everybody at least.


No, it leaves out almost all of Europe except Britain, France, and Iberia, and includes loads of West African countries, that have had very impressive empires...did you know that Liberia used to own America?

And as for Europe I do not know what you really want to say, but many nations can't be defined as "imperialists", or do you consider Croatia, Belarus, Ireland, Estonia or Slovakia as imperialist nations now?


In Europe, there are roughly 700 million folk totally, more than half live in one of these imperialist countries.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 06:59:34


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Westerners encompasses all of Europe as well as European based civilizations in America (most of American countries if not all), when I was in China "Waiguoren" and people referred as "Westerners" were all Europeans, Russians included. And it is not only China, people in Africa, South Asians and Natives Americans viewed Europeans from everywhere quite similarly.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 07:01:46


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In Europe, there are roughly 700 million folk totally, more than half live in one of these imperialist countries.


But not all, this is why calling all Europeans "imperialists" is irrelevant and inaccurate.
Socialists and statists who support gun "control".: 2016-04-22 14:57:31


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Westerners encompasses all of Europe as well as European based civilizations in America (most of American countries if not all), when I was in China "Waiguoren" and people referred as "Westerners" were all Europeans, Russians included. And it is not only China, people in Africa, South Asians and Natives Americans viewed Europeans from everywhere quite similarly.


"The western world" entails all of the countries which were capitalist as opposed to socialist during the Cold War. For Example:

The Philippines are a western nation
Greece is a western nation
Turkey is a western nation
Japan is a western nation
South korea is a western nation
Australia is a western nation

Cuba is Not a western nation
Poland is not a western nation
Venezuela is not a western nation
Finland is not a western nation
Russia is not a western nation

Edited 4/22/2016 15:00:52
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