This is for all the people who have been affected by Semicedevine's behaviour.
For The Lost Wolves, The Royal Falcons, Bakkah Mekkah, La Grande Armee, CORP, and Royal Entente.

https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/13892511-ban-semicedevine-permanently

Out of curiosity, why do people keep giving this guy manager rights?? Wouldn't you learn after the fifth hijacking?

dumb/naive/gullible/busy managers

But that's only five reasons... six clans hijacked :D

Obviously Semice is a jerk for taking advantage of a broken system. But that doesn't change the reality that:

a) the clan management system is broken and essentially requires larger clans to very closely watch their Manager Rights and heavily centralize their leadership (so you're essentially forcing a very small group of people to manage all day-to-day tasks involving the clan page, recruitment, and member management- or to take a massive risk when it comes to the stability of clan leadership)

b) Manager Rights are not spontaneously transferred; someone with Manager Rights in the Royal Entente decided to a Level 5 account with a 100% boot rate, 4 games played, and a former username of "fuck u" (https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=1755139223)- knowing full well that anyone with Manager Rights is capable of stripping them from other players

While it does reflect badly on Semicedevine that he gets a kick out of taking advantage of this, it's ultimately the fault of existing Managers for knowingly and willingly taking some frankly very stupid risks. You can't just shove all the blame and punishment on others when you demonstrated a massive failure of leadership and lack of responsibility on your own part.

Edited 5/18/2016 20:02:50

Yeah, giving your manager rights to "I HATE THIS GAME"? That's an omen for sure.

From what I have read he has been using an alt to get the trust of others and get manager rights that he then transfers to his main. What happened with Royal Entente is his alt got banned before he could transfer the MR back to his main and thus ruined the clan.

My condolences to the Royal Entente

Also, I don't get Fizzer's intervention in this case. A transfer of Manager Rights is essentially a transfer of ownership (partial, potentially full) to another person (unless something in the ToS says otherwise and establishes that ownership stays with the original purchaser). Someone in the Royal Entente deliberately transferred this ownership to Semice's alt under no force or pressure to do so. Now Fizzer's made it impossible for Semice (essentially the current owner of RE) to control RE or transfer ownership back, instead seizing ownership of the clan and making it near-impossible for it to be transferred again outside some exceptional circumstances.

From what I have read he has been using an alt to get the trust of others

"Get the trust of others" is a stupid way of shifting the blame; if an account like LORD HACKER I is able to "get your trust" to the point that you'll essentially transfer ownership of the clan to said account, then you are a complete dumbass.

Yeah, Semice is an asshole. But he couldn't have pulled this off himself without people who had way more control over the situation utterly screwing up and making horrible decisions.

Edited 5/18/2016 20:07:38

While this is obnoxious, kudos to all the managers with some damn sense for keeping their clan under control.

There's even a warning in the "Manage players" module where you handle Manager Rights. Someone read that and decided it was still totally safe and a smart decision to give Manager Rights to LORD HACKER I.

Honestly, you have no one to blame but yourself. You controlled the situation. You could've trivially avoided this, literally by just not being a dumbass.

Do not try to twist history to defend Semice, knytie.

Although I admit that the system does need some slight improvements, that does not make Semice any less responsible for his actions. Semice knows that, and it cannot be blamed on anybody else that Semice, after four months of gaining my trust (not under the name "Lord Hacker" as you tried to insinuate above, but under the name "Earl of Wight"), he betrayed us. The fact that he was democratically elected to the position he held which enabled him to gain manager rights by the clan shows just how elaborate his plan was.

Please, knyte, do not get yourself smeared by Semice. I hope to see to it that he is no longer welcome here.

If I understand correctly, the guy who gave MR to LORD HACKER I was Semice himself - from account "I hate this game (something something)". He played his role well with that accout and gained high position (it's still on clan page), along with MR.
Giving MR to too many people is not wise, but it wasn't as dumb as you make it, knyte.

Edited 5/18/2016 20:15:30

Yes, the system is fundamentally flawed. Never, at any point, should the person who purchased the clan be in a position where he loses rights.

However, how you can put blame on the innocent party is beyond me. Yes, they were naive, yet they did not ask for or expect this malicious act. The blame is with Semicedevine 100%. Its like saying it was my own fault for getting burgled as I left a window open - foolish, but certainly not my fault someone decided to break in.

It also proves again that, with the only exception of Apex, democratically deciding management rights has never been a successful strategy on Warlight. Stick to dictatorships, they tend to be much more stable.

Its like saying it was my own fault for getting burgled as I left a window open - foolish, but certainly not my fault someone decided to break in.

Better analogy - to do drugs. It's not really whoever sold you drugs' fault that you died, it's your fault for buying the drugs.

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Edited 5/18/2016 20:47:45

Dis is y wacos r best klan cuz only lord Adrian Waco haz da manger rites unliek all dese silly klans gibbin dem to evy1

I'm not twisting history. I've been around for a few hijacks, and this is what happened each time:

CORP gets hijacked by Semice as The Lone Wolf:

- Kazuki (leader/"owner" of CORP) goes inactive

- Angry Panda runs clan but can't manage day-to-day operations

- Stupidly gives Manager Rights to over a dozen people whom he absolutely shouldn't be trusting

- Again, there were at least a dozen incidents where he saw the warning (the one that says anyone with MR can take away MR from everyone else with MR, so be hella careful, etc. etc.) and decided to spread MR anyway because people were "recruiting," without even really checking who was being recruited

- Unsurprisingly, one of the people Panda gave MR to was someone who'd been in the clan for less than a week, had repeatedly asked for Manager Rights (red flag much?), and hijacked the clan

CORP gets hijacked again, by Achilles

- Kazuki (leader/"owner" of CORP) still barely active

- Has MR spread between himself, me (actually taking care of day-to-day operations), a couple of people, and Achilles- his IRL friend who even he'd describe as a controlling psychopath

- Achilles is inactive, does not even participate in clan management, and his having MR has no point whatsoever

- One day Achilles gets mad at Kazuki for something stupid and takes over the clan

- Uh oh. Okay, well, fuck this, I'll take care of it, get MR back from Achilles.

- Kazuki, not to be outdone, had somehow managed to give his goddamn password to Achilles. Clan gets hijacked again, this time through Kazuki's account.

- After the incident, Kazuki still insists that Manager Rights should remain with Achilles

The Lost Wolves get hijacked

- Zephyrum, taking over after hijacking the clan from Relm, gives me MR with the expectation that I would remove his MR and take over the clan (and no real objections to the situation)

Royal Entente gets hijacked

- Semice smuggles an alt into the Royal Entente

- Royal Entente leadership decides to give that alt Manager Rights, fully aware of the risks associated with it

- Shit happens

- Fizzer intervenes in the worst way possible, turning a temporary hijacking into a permanent collapse



Keeping your clan secure is not an open decision. It's about as much of a choice as Obama creating a website where anyone can control the American nuclear arsenal or monitor the activities of the CIA. You're knowingly transferring ownership every time you give someone else Manager Rights- there's even a warning, so you can't use the "I'm naive"/"I didn't know" defense at this point.

Clans are not hijacked by force. Unlike getting robbed in the street or getting hijacked on a plane, there's no way for someone to forcibly take over a clan (ignoring any vulnerabilities in WL's code, which have to my knowledge never been used this way) without you handing it to them.

If it's this easy for someone to hijack a clan, then yes I think it's your fault more than anyone else's. Literally all I have to do to keep The Lost Wolves secure is not transfer Manager Rights, especially when people ask me to give them MR. Literally all you have to do is:

a) Find the smallest possible # of people you need to run day-to-day operations that absolutely require Manager Rights, ideally 1 person

b) Give that person Manager Rights

c) Do not give anyone else Manager Rights

d) When your original Manager is unable to run the clan anymore, transfer them to someone you're comfortable giving absolute control over the clan to

How is this even hard? How is this something people consistently fail at? And why does this always happen in the same type of clan?

This literally can't happen without someone making some very stupid calls. Yes, Fizzer's system has its limitations. Yes, Semice is an asshole and an idiot for taking advantage of this, and it sucks that there's no viable way to control or punish him at this stage (without inordinately punishing others :/). But ultimately, there's only one set of people controlling the levers of power who can completely prevent this from happening- and that's the people with MR in your clan. It's not difficult in any way whatsoever to protect MR, and you're too much at fault here to play the victim card.

Edited 5/18/2016 20:43:28

Ironic that the self-proclaimed troll clans (maxTroll, Oppress MoD, Blitz, MSF, Poon Squad, Darklords, Heyheuhei family&lovers, and now Wacos) have had a 100% better success rate at preventing clan hijakings than the "diplomacy/roleplaying" clans. Y'all really should do better.