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From spewing venom all over Division D thread just to increase the number of posts to plastering your graffiti all over the same thread to increase its post count to handing over MR to hostile actors inside of TLW to operating a horrific troll called NIGHT that rampaged the forums creating numerous idiotic threads, baiting rage, and trolling for weeks

0. Please stop responding to everything I say with a personal attack. There's actual substance here, too.

1. We've already established that TLW accusation was wrong. In the CL thread. You read it. You responded to it. At this point you know it's false and yet you continue to slander me. This is what's wrong with your clan.

2. Yes. I was NIGHT. Literally all NIGHT did was crudely imitate certain people like Karl. And yes I was an asshole. Like I said, I made mistakes. I tried to learn from them, and I'm glad people called me out when I did something wrong. I'm just trying to do the same thing for you guys.

But forum spam isn't the same as ladder cheating or harassment. Why does this community constantly yell for moderation when we deal with forum spam yet say "I did it too" or just shrug when it comes to actual cheating and harassing people?

Everything below this is in response to Nikolai's comment before he edited it, where it was just saying I'm attacking him for having a "different point of view."

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Norman slandering me and getting away with it because you're not gonna do shit about it isn't the same as "a different point of view."

Harmful behavior is different, but it's not harmful because it's different.

Again, I get it. You're scared of Norman kicking you out like Ben did:



But what you're doing now is just letting Norman continue to harass the rest of us when you actually have the power to do something about it- much more power than I do. Norman doesn't respect me. He doesn't respect Forbidden Knowledge. He doesn't respect many people outside M'H. But you're in M'H. You can at least try to get through to him.


(This is from https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11612889; in case he deletes it, all screenshots are at http://imgur.com/a/FXJV4)

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:37

The "Holier than thou" knyte is actually a gigantic troll with no credibility what so ever. Don't pretend to protect the same "community" that you terrorized for weeks on end. You are the ultimate hypocrite.

NIGHT has caused more damage to this community than any M'Hunter ever has. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Edited 7/21/2016 04:37:14

Stop derailing.

http://bit.ly/mh-cheating

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Aaaaand we're back to "let's make personal attacks b/c I've got no substance" mode here. Great.

Forum spam sucks. I was an asshole, and NIGHT was a bad idea. Again, thanks for calling me out over it. I'm glad you did, or I might not have stopped as quickly.

But why does it seem that this community thinks that forum spam is so much worse than ladder cheating and people like Norman (and you now) actually harassing and slandering us with accusations you know to be false? When there's a thread about forum spam, we all scream for moderation and action from Fizzer now! And yet when there's something about ladder cheating or something that's actually really really really bad for us, we just shrug and excuse that behavior. Is it because that kind of behavior comes from elite players? Idk. But this makes no sense.

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:44

I didn't hear you debunk my premise. I don't know why anybody even listens to somebody who tore the community apart and then comes back like a two faced bitch and says he wants to heal it. You have no credibility.

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NIGHT was bad. NIGHT did not tear the community apart. It was stupid, it was spammy... but I'm disappointed you're saying it "tore the community apart" as if it's worse than Norman and your clan harassing other people and treating us like shit + your clan condoning cheating in multiple places.

Here it is: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/159812-clan-league-8-division-c-official-thread?Offset=572

You responded to it, too.

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:50

I felt compelled to answer your bullshit and I was right to call you out. The fact is that you spammed the forums with stupid, misogynistic, racsist, bigoted comments and promoted hate. And why? For personal enjoyment. You are the lowest form of human being.

How many of the other trolly alts where yours? How many times did you enjoy yourself at the expense of the community?

As a representative from the D division, i can assure you that Knytes input in the main was very appreciated.
Whatever his motives for doing the graphs etc. they really added to the enjoyment of the division.

However, to say the clan league is corrupt would be an understatement.
No, AI should not have participated, but that's just the start....
All these players NOT playing for the clan they belong to makes a mockery of the whole premise of the league.

I have to also say that i believe Knyte is being extremely hypocritical in pointing to AI and his cheating when Semice was allowed to play in HIS team after clan hijackings.

The league is very imperfect, but no point squabbling over the rights and wrongs of the running of it or any particular clan. It's all we have and the community is grateful to have it on the whole

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Really? More accusations?

I've linked all my main alts from my profile. Beyond that, there's S A V A G E (L1 unused) and two ChrisCMU's where the profile picture is Carnegie Mellon (unused)

But if you want to be sure, ask Fizzer. He knows which IP addresses I've played from. He can tell you easily.

Until you aren't, please stop making more and more accusations and pretending that it's the same as calling out my "bullshit."

@indibob: I take full responsibility for letting Semice participate. I did internally reprimand him within the clan (he was removed from all leadership positions) but understand that allowing him to represent us still promotes his bad behavior and could've possibly offset the disincentives I created by kicking him out of clan leadership. Apologies on my behalf for that. It seems like I let my friendship and respect for Semice create a blind spot. :/

Edited 7/23/2016 10:05:59

NIGHT has caused more damage to this community than any M'Hunter ever has. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I think your argument in this case lacks great support. Here we have a person having admitted to the fact that A. It caused damage, B. Owning up to their error, and C. now trying to change the community for the better. Compared to an entire clan that has A. Effectively endorsed cheating, as they will go defend AI against all cheating charges, despite the fact that the entire forum at this point knows that he cheated, and what amounts to a slap on the wrist in regards to punishment for the cheating. B. Intentionally trash talks everyone, this is basically trolling, so you've already exceeded NIGHT, congrats. and C. Doesn't attempt to change, even after people have asked for the change, something that knyte has done. In my eyes, the cheating charge alone exceeds anything ever done or doable on these forums that isn't a ban, as you are now endorsing a ban-able offense basically because you are good enough players that you don't have to worry about it. Secondly, you do a lot of trash-talking, which in my view is actually worse than trolling, as trash-talking to me is a sign of bad sportsmanship, and not anyone I would like to be associated with, trolling on the other hand is more handle-able. Then there is the fact that about every 2 posts, you attack the commentators with out of context items, things that commentator has already owned up to, or their lack of skill. While the second item group listed is most commonly a bad thing, they have already recognized their mistake, and have changed their forum act to reflect that error, something that M'Hunters is yet to do. That fact alone makes your group worse, as being able to recognize a mistake and attempt to fix it is a infinite times better than continuously committing the same offense. Please leave the forum if you are not able to be civilized in your responses.

I think your argument in this case lacks great support. Here we have a person having admitted to the fact that A. It caused damage, B. Owning up to their error, and C. now trying to change the community for the better.

Knyte has admitted none of that. He has not even admitted he did it. Furthermore, you cannont continue to lump all 65 members of MH into one category. Since you continue to do it, it just shows how mentally retarded you are and how you have no grasp on the idea of freedom of association. Also add some spaces when you start a new idea. It looks unproffesionally and honestly I won't even read all of it. Im sure I will get dumber as a result.

More importantly though, who is knyte when he doesn't have a reputation to uphold? Who is he when he feels he has no consequences? Who is he when he doesn't have to hide how he really feels? He is a troll through and through. He has proven it time and again that his word means nothing and he will trash anybody for a kick. You are worse than scum.

I shall no longer refer to you as Knyte but as NIGHT, your true self.

Edited 7/21/2016 04:59:38

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I shall no longer refer to you as Knyte but as NIGHT, your true self.

No, no, no. Go with the complete title: "NIGHT, of the Lawlz Clan."

Edited 7/23/2016 10:06:07

Before this, I thought MHunters clan was pretty good (they wrote that guide, they have TBest, they seem fun and founded on good thoughts), but now, euh...their leadership is not very nice, at any rate.

NIGHT, who rallied against the dismal shape of the Warlight forums and called all people to ban all MH players, is actually one of the people who are RESPONSIBLE for the deterioration of the community. If NIGHT feels as though MH needs to be banned then he should ban himself as well, since he has caused far more damage with his misogyny, racism, and bigotry.

NIGHT deserves no respect and even less dignity.

Edited 7/21/2016 05:09:10

Furthermore, you cannont continue to lump all 65 members of MH into one category. Since you continue to do it, it just shows how mentally retarded you are and how you have no grasp on the idea of freedom of association. Also add some spaces when you start a new idea. It looks unproffesionally and honestly I won't even read all of it. Im sure I will get dumber as a result.
I'm using the term M'hunters to address all the forum actives because I don't honestly care to address every member whom has attacked knyte for taking action against AI. Also, please avoid using the term mentally retarded, as you clearly don't know what that term means. Also, I believe clan members agree to be associated with how the leadership acts when they join a clan, so I don't think your freedom of association really applies here And, I don't really plan on separating out ideas in a professional manner when that would take time that I don't really have, I'm just putting forth some analysis from an outside point of view, and if you refuse to read it, your loss.

Just stop protecting a famous troll. He is indefensible. There is no excuse what so ever to spread misogyny, racism, and bigotry. You are defending somebody who literally pumped hate and lies about women, minorities, and gays directly into the community that he "cares for so much". You have no standing.

Edited 7/21/2016 05:15:23

"I have said before why this is a stupid, irrelevant argument on a stupid, irrelevant gaming website. Despite my attempts to explain why you're misguided knyte, I see my efforts appear to have been in vain. On that note I believe Thomas Paine can give us a few words of advice.


“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”

I'm not going to waste anymore of my time arguing with you, knyte. You're a lost cause. Keep that straight jacket warm. "

- Rogue Nikolai Krogius, 3 hours ago.

I don't read the forums much, and certainly have made no attempt at following this dispute that has been between Mhunters and a section of the community who dislike them.

But like most people I'm sure, it is impossible to be unaware of it, because it spreads across countless threads over a time period of multiple months, and to be honest it disgusts me.

As an impartial observer who has no interest in this disagreement, more often than not it seems to me that the aggressors, like in this thread, are not Mhunters. I don't think I'm alone in finding attacks on an entire group of people based on nothing more than their clan tag to be incredibly disdainful.

I think the single person in this thread who makes the most sense was Super Smoove, who suggested you look at your own actions before you attack others. I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment.

Take a long hard look in the mirror, because what I see is someone who has become the very thing you claim to hate. Making a thread like this in my opinion is more harmful, and more damaging to the community than the combination of every one of the list of accusations you made against Mhunters.

I completely and unequivocally, reject the rhetoric of hatred which you are trying to spread.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

Edited 7/21/2016 05:18:11

Im not arguing. These are indisputable facts.

NIGHT trolled the community he supposedly loved so much and spread hate and lies about women, minorities, and gays. These are indisputable facts, not an argument.