Ridiculing someone who is bad, and bragging about it, is hardly the same as being a dick to everyone.

If you're bad at the game, and acknowledge it, and want to solve it, I'm very willing to help people improve. If they're bad, are in denial of that, and boast about being good, that elicits a different response. Respect is earned, not given freely.


@Johnny Silverhand aka Nauzhror: What you wrote sounds somewhat reasonable but then again you also made your own forum threads like those:

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/212499-best-player-time

It was very bad playing by Guiguzi, but that is no reason to mention it as how bad someone is at playing Warzone. Great reaction by Master of desaster in that forum.

Edited 5/12/2021 17:51:55

Thank you Sephiroth haha.

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As for Johnny Silverhand, I deeply disagree with this statement:

When someone criticizes you, they're doing you a favor. Communication should be optimized for information, not for being nice to the person on the receiving end.

Communication should be optimized for information? That's demonstrably false. If it were true, we should all be speaking in the most complex manner possible at all times. We should be teaching Shakespeare to babies and talking about our deep love of multivariable calculus fresh out of the womb.

But we don't. Communication is about being UNDERSTOOD by the other person. And apart of being understood is being NICE. No one is going to listen to you if you're being a jerk to them. You could be 100% right, but no one will seriously consider what you say if you're super aggressive.

There are, of course, other reasons to be nice to people. I think it's kind of problematic to view mere friendliness as something that must bring "value" for you to consider being friendly.

If you actually think someone criticizing you is doing a favor, then let me do you a favor. You're a jerk, and you should chill out. But, I suspect, me telling you that isn't a favor right?

You're just trying to make justifications for your disgusting behavior. Stop.

Edited 5/13/2021 07:54:24

I didn't really want to jump into this conversation, but communication would indeed be optimized for information.
What shakespeare does, is lengthy dialogues with little action while the story could be summed up with a few sentences if you care just about the plot.

Being understood is easier if you provide just the minimum of information to make your point. The difficulty is knowing which points are relevant to actually be understood. If you objectively state a fact and it comes around as rude, you might be an ass, but still you provided the fact in a quick and on point way.

You are right imo, sanmu :)

yes people should be more like me

"Communication should be optimized for information"

Congrats once more Masters, S2 CW champs.

Same thing next season? 3-peat?

I am a Master btw

1st place: 10,000 coins, an Epic Artifact, 1 of every Power

these rewards described on https://www.warzone.com/wiki/Clan_Wars would be way more fair, there's basically no difference between 1st and 2nd place atm

> Communication should be optimized for information? That's demonstrably false. If it were true, we should all be speaking in the most complex manner possible at all times.

Uhh, no. Optimized for information would absolutely not mean more complex communication. KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is far more optimized for information. Being concise and to the point is optimizing your communication for information, what you're suggesting is the polar opposite.

Shakespeare has nothing of value to say to someone interested in learning information. Mathematicians do, not playwrights.

> And apart of being understood is being NICE.
No, it isn't. Being nice usually means misleading people and telling them what they want to hear. Sugarcoating the truth is not more informative or understandable, it's the complete opposite. If you can't learn from criticism, that is your failure.

Anyone with any level of intellectual bearing should strive to operate under Crocker's Rules, which states:

> Anyone is allowed to call you a moron and claim to be doing you a favor. (Which, in point of fact, they would be. One of the big problems with this culture is that everyone's afraid to tell you you're wrong, or they think they have to dance around it.) Two people using Crocker's Rules should be able to communicate all relevant information in the minimum amount of time, without paraphrasing or social formatting.

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Nauz you're wrong. Humans have emotional responses and if they don't like how you say things they won't listen.

You're welcome.

Why am I being called out here? Leave me alone.

autism solves the emotional response problem. it's very cool imo

@nauz

Beginning to think you’re on the spectrum now

knyte (lite)

I'm not sure I can explain the value of emotion to someone who doesn't understand it.

Perhaps I can try. I'll give an analogy you'll understand. You know that sinking feeling of despair you feel after losing a game of warzone? Perhaps after losing a ladder, year after year, despite all your best efforts? That's the feeling other people have when communicating with you.

When people are this sad/mad, they do crazy things. Hell, they might even challenge people who rightfully beat them and say they didn't deserve it. And then back out when the other person responds to the challenge. And actually listening to the other person's arguments? Hell, that's not even on their mind at all.

I tried to cater my analogy to your own personal experience; I hope that helps.

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As a side note, I thought I'd mention something. Since you obviously understand warzone a lot better than human emotions (or even the concept of human emotions), I'll be playing in the first timeslot of Clan Wars everyday in S3 for the M'Hunters. I'll play any of the Small Earth templates. If you wanna match up, join then. I'd love to hear you rage more first hand.

> Humans have emotional responses and if they don't like how you say things they won't listen.

"Humans" don't respond in any specific way. Specific people do. Plenty of people are able to learn from criticisms. Unsurprisingly, it tends to be the same subset of people who are successful in life. Imagine that.

People like Musk, Gates, Bezos, etc. They didn't stop trying to achieve their dreams because someone criticized them. When someone criticizes you, the sensible thing is to put yourself in their shoes and try to see if there's any merit in what they said. If there is, assimilate it, and learn from it.

It's not surprising that you disagree though, you already showed yourself incapable of doing this when I criticized your picks.

> I tried to cater my analogy to your own personal experience; I hope that helps.

You're not catering anything to anyone. You're attempting to be clever and insult me, while knowing literally nothing about the topic at hand.

I didn't challenge Phobos and then chicken out when he accepted.

Rak tried setting up a challenge between Phobos and me. My initial response was that I wasn't interested. I was never trying to prove superiority over Phobos. His picks were bad, I didn't need to beat him to make that be true, it was true regardless of the outcome of any "challenge".

> I'll play any of the Small Earth templates. If you wanna match up, join then. I'd love to hear you rage more first hand.

Don't flatter yourself pumpkin. I don't play garbage templates and I don't give a shit about you. I literally don't even know who you are and don't recall even seeing you on the game prior to your posts in this thread.

I certainly don't rage when I lose games either. If I play poorly, I might become frustrated with myself for making mistakes, but never with my opponent. Nearly all games I lose are directly the result of my mistakes. You seem to have me confused with someone like Boston who loses games and then insults their opponent.

Edited 5/15/2021 13:43:19

don't shoot up a school please

I also had no clue who you were before this post ;)

You ain't a celebrity bro. You're just an angry child. An angry child who is about to lose a season in Clan Wars :)

Also, you seriously comparing yourself to Musk, Gates, and Bezos rn?? Yeah, I bet they'd totally agree with you and what you stand for. No question.

No idea why the MASTER clan doesn't just throw this guy under the bus. They could easily, and it would save their reputation. But instead, they let this guy drag their name through the mud every day lmao. And for what? To win a season of Clan Wars?

Hardly seems like a worth-it trade for me. Especially if he isn't going to do the one thing he was brought on to do. Makes you wonder if they agree with the nonsense he spews.

Edited 5/15/2021 23:29:31