Fizzer always asked for concrete suggestions how to improve existing systems, we should want to focus on delivering the same.

My dude, I don't think he's sincere about that, because we've been making those suggestions for a long time now and they just go ignored.

Browse the Uservoice right now (https://warlight.uservoice.com/). It's depressing. On top of a graveyard of untriaged ideas- roadmapped items from 7 years ago that never got their votes freed up- you'll also find that the Uservoice has spam from people selling Yeezys. Even the most basic backlog grooming isn't happening.

Our feedback is simply not a priority. It's a rain dance. At least the boycott won't just repeat the thing that overwhelmingly does not work based on 7 years' experience.

I am trying to stay positive here :D

Bhai you really have not learned from Mumbai. There's positive, and then there's "the barista is being nice to me because I am the love of her life" positive.

But the barista said I am special :'(

[rip Rhonda, deleted as per alex's suggestion. DM me if you are curious what was too spicy for the forums.]

The boycott I don't see working. It's too easy to cross the picket line unless you are prepared to go draconian to ensure players comply.

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LMAO l4v (barista)

Positivity is great ... but we tried that and it hasn't worked.

Fizzer always asked for concrete suggestions how to improve existing systems

When was the last time he asked for feedback on CW? We've been giving feedback and the answer was clear: "no changes planned". Let's be clear on this, CW started and he was asking for feedback, and fixed a few minor things like changing # of slots from 4 to 6 (I'll admit this was a big one! But likely his own plan that just happened to align with user feedback), giving FWs 1 point rating increase and removing possibility of 2v2 being the only template in a slot, and adding templates Guiroma & FB ... and not much else.

And in response to our suggestions, initially responded indicating that things take a while to truly settle in, and we need to give it a number of seasons to show whether it's working or not. Fast forward many seasons later, things are now reportedly "working well" - and this is in response to people complaining that it's really not working well for us. Either he truly sees things differently (playership = support, and we're wrong about it not working well) or just doesn't care, maybe both.

If he were still asking for feedback, it might be different. We're just throwing suggestions into the void. We need to get his attention.

But your point is sound, once we get his attention, assuming he decides action need be taken, there's still no guarantee he'll take our suggestions instead of just doing something else he feels strongly about that also doesn't solve the problem.

Perhaps he'd deduce that the problem is that there's too many templates and too many timeslots per day, that seasons aren't long enough to give losing clans a chance to comeback, or introduce buffs for weaker clans & ways to decrease win count gaps in late season. Whereby we get a system with only 2 templates MME LD & MME MA, on maps with 2000+ territories, only 3 timeslots per day every 8 hrs, underdog clans (CW rating <150) get a 3x ratio for wins to be more competitive, and a bounce back buff where late season games (<20% of territories remaining) for clans not in top 5 get 5x ratio. All in the name of listening to user feedback.

vroom vroom intensifies

clan wars speeding to new heights

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I will get nightmares from your last paragraph, krinid

LOL alex ... evil CW concepts are going to visit you in your dreams tonight

Please don't share any more photos of mine online

have you tried giving the nightmare creatures concrete suggestions for dream improvements? maybe if you delivered those they will listen

I must admit I am a bit confused. Is this still about Myth Busters recruiting, or did the topic turn completely into how/what to change in CW now? Is this clear to everyone what exactly to change?

Are you sure that you (whomever this "you" is) are speaking for all the clans participating (or not yet/anymore participating) - be it top competitive (MB,MH), semi competitive (Prime, Azzurre, Harmony, Excel, TLA, Fancys, i dont want to offense anyone by not enumerating them here), or small high-skilled (CW rating >500 but only 4 participants), small clans and any other potentially interested player?

If so, this maybe needs a new thread with summarizing the proposed changes first and an open discussion of more than 3 clans whether we as the community have (A) a common understanding and (B) can even find a compromize fitting all. Just thinking...

Tiny addition to krinid's numbers: As you never play against your own clan in CW and every game consists of two clans, you need to double all numbers to determine in how many of the games the clan participated. So you have a total of 200% (100% of games x2 clans competing).

Edited 9/21/2022 07:24:57

So MB and MH contributed in slightly less than 60% of all games (excluding MH vs MB machups), which therefore means that in like half (!!!) of all CW activity, one of these clans played

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I agree a boycott is most effective, Juan had this idea and it is very good

It would certainly get attention, which is step 1. It's a non-starter without full voluntary support and agreement of MB & MH minimally.

And to Otto's point, we should have a clear and concise list of things we're actually trying to convey that the larger CW community supports, so that when the attention is finally given, we're not providing multiple confusing non-unified opinions or large, complex, ambiguous manifestos of user complaints.

Or requests need to be established, unified, concise & clear, ready for viewing when the rain finally comes.

probably up to the clan leaders, FleXUS and maybe Norman

other clans too not just mb and mh

I love how this thread has turned from a Myth Busters recruitment thread into a M'Hunter leading the charge to get Myth Busters to not play CW for a season. ;)

On a serious note, the boycott will not require 200+ players to cooperate every day. You just need players who agree to join the boycott to play a symbolic first game (or just sign up and withdraw) from an early slot, after which their clan leader can kick them out and they can wait out the season in a boycott holding clan (I've got a few uncapped ones but you can also just use yolo for this or for symbolic value "Do Your Job" if the owner agrees to support this). That way, it will be hard to break the picket line- those clans' slots would be used up, and the players in the strike, if they have second thoughts, would also need to rejoin their old clans while the strike proceeds. Else they wouldn't be able to play CW unless Fizzer manually unlocks their account to switch clans in the middle of the season after having already played a game, but so far he has only done this for his brother Elucidar.

The symbolic 1-game seasons from many players, as well as the clear organization from the strikers all moving into one clan for the duration of the CW strike, would amplify the message instead of leading to confusion: this is a player strike until CW gets fixed.

The leaders of clans participating in the strike should come up with clear demands. You should also try to get smaller clans involved so you don't get dismissed as unrepresentative. Then, to avert the nightmare scenario krinid described, the strike clan could use its description to list the demands and the strike can continue until the demands are agreed to.

Clan Wars has really changed the landscape. Not only has it, more than anything else, turned playing Warlight into a job for some but now it has also led to the possible creation of a players' union. The financialization of Warlight and its subsequent organized response will be of great interest to future anthropologists trying to piece together the transformation of the gaming industry in the 2020s and 2030s and how that led to the Worldwide Gamer Uprising that dominated the next 6 centuries and culminated in the birth of the world order that would drive humanity into the stars searching for something that could hold a candle to Warlight as Pulsey remembers it.

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Edited 9/21/2022 15:25:42

I love how this thread has turned from a Myth Busters recruitment thread into a M'Hunter leading the charge to get Myth Busters to not play CW for a season. ;)

LOL. In this theoretical boycott season, MH wouldn't be playing either, and hopefully also the current top 10, so some other clans would take all the top spots in a season that lasts likely 3-4x+ the duration of a regular season.

I don't see locking in slots & leaving clans as necessary as long as people are committed to the boycott & asking for improvements. Leaving clans seems extreme, since as we've said, they have the primary purpose of community, and leaving it for a reaaaaaalllly long season is too destructive. The community needs to continue on, just shutting down the CW aspect of them for a season.