Pulsey, if you acknowledge gun control won't fix the problem, then why support it? While we work on fixing the problem(as if our government can fix anything these days, the thought is a joke), what's wrong with people defending themselves?

Please, answer a few questions for me.

Do you agree that lots of people in the US get murdered in and out of their homes?
Do you agree that a gun can be used to defend yourself from an attacker?
If you disagree, then what should the hundreds of thousands of murder victims have done to protect themselves?

I know your point, but *feeling safe* doesn't change anything. You can feel safe if you want, or not, it won't change your chances of being robbed, mugged, beaten, or killed.

So tell me, right now, while we try to solve the cultural problems, what should the murder victims have done? What should a person who gets attacked in the parking lot do? If you don't think guns are the answer for these problems, what should these people do?

Edit: I've explained why you can't just compare other countries. Safer countries don't have the cultural problems that we do, which drive the criminal problems. You still seem to think that gun-control would fix the problem, even though you admitted it won't.

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Ok, enough of this topic. how bout we go to civil troubles and revolutions and things of the like that involve the people and weapons.

I really dislike that type of talk, especially when people start making predictions and statements about war, treating it like a game. Typical comments from online Americans would include 'If China/North Korea/Russia' wants war, then we'll give it to them! We will nuke the commies and teach them a lesson about messing with America etc etc'. Apart from the blatant ignorance and the unrealistic content nature of such comments, these people also fail to realize that the reasons they have these bragging rights have almost nothing to do with their contribution, but the hard work and innovation of others in their countries.

Its fun to talk about war and you should always advocate for peace.

Not all american are Xenophobic, racist, gun-loving, "fag" haters.

I use guns for self defense, and hunting. I believe it is the best defense in my particular area, because the cops are lazy and have a 10-15 minute response time, like Little blue said. Obviously, gun control has worked in other nations, but it is not a solution for the USA.

One last thing, why is it that some will complain about american cultures, and then try to force their gun legislation down our throat?

America is not a bad place, its just, well, WE NEED TO MIND OUR GODDAMN OWN FRIGGIN BUSINESS! If it is a threat to national security or our allies, yeah sure, take action. Also, technically speaking, We are a Representative Republic.

Pulsey, if you acknowledge gun control won't fix the problem, then why support it?

I see it as similar to a permanent headache. Taking painkillers will obviously take away the pain, but it is only temporary, and you should focus on getting rid of the root of the problem - the headache. The problem here is crime and violence, giving people the gun only allows people to combat violence with violence, it does not solve violence. My other point is that blaming this on America's mix of cultural and racial backgrounds isn't an excuse, since there are many similar countries. That being said, as I mentioned earlier, apart from self defence, guns are also the reason due to many murders committed under passion. I made that clear on my first post in the 2nd page. Beren also said something about suicides. Thus, they should be removed.

One last thing, why is it that some will complain about american cultures, and then try to force their gun legislation down our throat?

I never complained about American culture, in fact I praised it. Like i said, this is my first ever debate on gun control, so I'm not the type of person that goes around trying to force others to conform to my beliefs, and I'm sure Little Blue has some belief I don't fully appreciate and understand. At the end of the day I just want to learn something. Try harder, Lawlz. ;)

My last post for tonight.

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The vast majority of murders in the United States are gang related, and consequently drug trafficking related, since drug money is what funds gangs. Outside that, the US is really no more dangerous than any other developed nation.

How can we get rid of most gang related violence? End the war on drugs, legalize and regulate them. Then gangs will lose their sources of income.

i didnt say anything about america

Beren the reason we ban drugs is because of the psycho effect they have on people.

Lucid, is that why weed is banned? Why not alcohol?

Even if you're right, does banning drugs work? What consequences come from it?

Hint: it increases crime, people still use drugs at the same rate, and it gives power to drug cartels.



It's impossible to actually consider the war on drugs and still support it.

It's ok Pulsey, you won't respond to my questions, so there's no point in continuing anyway. Clearly, you think the millions of people who defend themselves with guns shouldn't be able to, and somehow that would be better.

To answer the original question...


I personally see the USA as a caveman armed with a bazooka. A populous generally primitive in beliefs, primitive in morals, primitive in mentality. However circumstance puts America into the position of strongest nation in the world. This worries me. If I was in a room with a bazooka toting caveman I'd leave the room. Unfortunately it's not so easy to leave an American-dominated world...


Americans, please try to convince me otherwise. I know a good deal of decent and modern Americans. But I have talked to more primitive ones.

Sorry, can't convince you otherwise. We have a largely ignorant, obese, backwards, anti-intellectual voter base who votes the same straight ticket their whole life, and a corrupt political leadership mixed with crony capitalism.

Politics=Always ends up in corruption

I never complained about American culture, in fact I praised it.

I said some people, not you specifically pulsey.

Sorry, can't convince you otherwise. We have a largely ignorant, obese, backwards, anti-intellectual voter base who votes the same straight ticket their whole life, and a corrupt political leadership mixed with crony capitalism.

Agreed 100%

I personally see the USA as a caveman armed with a bazooka.

cba to comment on GB

To people trying to get this thread back on-topic :

http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804

I will post this again, those defending American policies should really read it all and consider the millions of deaths this has caused.
Perhaps if you didnt war on your poor in a similar way you wouldnt have so many disaffected citizens.
Do you really want to live in a society where you need a gun to be safe?
The shame is you have been brainwashed to believe its better to carry a loaded gun than to put the effort into creating a more equal world.
Just add up how much you have spent on bombs in the last 15 years and imagine if it had been used for something more positive.
The UK is going the same way, our goverment is just out to help the rich and have already caused the deaths of thousands through sanctions.
Why is it that all crime is reduced in countries where the gap between rich and poor is less massive?
Imagine if all the cash spent on guns was invested in your society instead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs

Goatfinger, how does foreign policy which I have very little say over reflect on the topic of gun ownership? (Hint: it doesn't)

Nobody should have fire extinguishers. Just make it so houses can't catch fire! That's the type of logic you're using.

Edit: I love this topic. How people can be so convinced that banning guns would somehow magically make everything in the US better is beyond me, rofl. Maybe I should start telling other countries, which I have no real clue about their social, cultural, or political situations, what they should be doing.

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I agree with Little Blue, Just make it so people can't get hurt by firearms!

Firearms are bad, but some methods are extreme. After a massacre in Australia that killed 35 people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29

Many guns were destroyed, around 700,000 I believe. This:

1. Didn't control guns for very long. We now have more guns then we did before.
2. Got rid of thousands of antique, collectible and historially important guns, including some that should have been in a museum.

If you ban guns:

1. Mafia and gangs can still get them. And then (according to the average American) they won't be able to defend themselves.
2. Cheap, fake guns are made that tend to blow up when you try to fire them.