There could be a small benefit for adding Duel Lotto, even for DanWL. Nobody is forced to play any template. Having it added so that players who don't care about playing pick this template instead, means that you're less likely to encounter these players in SEAD/SE1W.

@krinid
SEAD is already effectively a 50% free win template, assuming at least a baseline level of skill. If you reject duel lotto on that basis, you would also reject SEAD.

There's very low strategic value in SEAD and SEW1 (autopicks and picks being far to game deciding with no counter play). If it's meant to be more about skill, then there's plenty of better alternatives. SEAD and SEW1 don't appeal to me but SEW1 is the better one. SEAD and SEW1 have very forcing ideas which can compensate for bad starts. Weaker players with better starts can make the wrong moves and lose to a better player with worse starts. Duel lotto is instantly won or lost, no strategic value in the template at all. That isn't what clan wars should be about.

It’s more research than what 5s did.

This claim by DanWL is straight up not true.

I brought up statistical data from multiple sources (mainly, gathered by me) already and referenced many people's point of views (sadly the posts were downvoted). BTW, I also have extra data, which was not yet publicly disclosed.

In the meantime, DanWL so far only presented his opinions and did question one person in the global chat, and even when DanWl tried to undermine the credibility of mine data research, his opinionated arguments never contradicted it.

I am not sure if DanWL is lying or just posted an untrue statement due to other reasons, so I will refrain from judging that.

VOTE: Who here on this thread would honestly choose Lotto over SEAD if they were the only 2 templates in a CW timeslot?

I would say, I will pick DL/SEAD 50/50.

I really like SEAD (and a few other templates), so that sometimes I just play a random SEAD QuickMatch just for entertainment (not CW, or coinwheel, etc).

But...sometimes, I would be happy to have the option to get that 50% lucky chance and give it a go.
Also, due to how CW works sometimes, you need to spread to different templates to minimize the risk of no-games.

looks like not much going on here. Probably because now everyone is silently convinced that Duel Lotto may and should be a CW staple.

Yet, as there were a lot of negative opinions outspoken here. I got you all a treat.

The following is a number of real quotes where Classic loving Walruses discussed introduction of new templates to one pretty significant community competitive event within Warzone. Those hard-hitting quotes are all found within just a few pages.

What happened after all these discussions? The templates were added to the event, and no one got hurt (neither physically, nor mentally).

I encourage you to try to guess the event and/or the templates without googling through the forums. I think, that would be a nice experience.

Please enjoy and draw your own conclusions:

- XXX and YYY - are the templates
- NNN - name of the competition

Since when did this become the Meme NNN? 3 of these templates are garbage, 2 of them aren't strategic. For shame.

I don't think that even if they're suggested that they should be taken seriously.

these are gross templates that should be avoided in the future.

having a XXX template in NNN is asking for trouble

It's also a bad template that just isn't strategic and has no right to be in a competitive league that plays for a long period of time.

It may ruin mechanics and strategies that you used to use

We actually live in a timeline where XXX and YYY are NNN templates ... facepalm

The fact that XXX was selected for WR is amusing

Spice it up, and ignore the haters!

People will always complain when the templates aren't the three ladder templates + Biomes 1v1, 2v2 and 3v3...

Honestly in this game niche is kinda synonym for unpopular.

I think that is a good lesson, that there are facts, and there are opinions.

*Warluses

I am the eggman
They are the eggmen
I am the walrus
Goo goo a'joob

@Zr40

SEAD is already effectively a 50% free win template, assuming at least a baseline level of skill. If you reject duel lotto on that basis, you would also reject SEAD.

lmao, not sure if that was a serious comment or not, but let's give a serious answer; under that condition, how is SEAD any different from every other template? If 2 players are equally skilled at a given template, wouldn't the WR be 50%?

i reject DL from CW b/c there is 0 skill, it is a straight up 50% lotto

i accept SEAD in CW b/c it is still somewhat skill based albeit on the low end; if you insist on calling it 50/50, look at the WR of best and worst clans on the template and you'll see best >>50% and worst will not be pretty; why? b/c even though there is luck involved, there is no baseline of skill, there is still skill involved, so over many games, skill will still prevail

Edited 6/4/2024 07:56:53

5S, let's play ten games on SEAD and see if you win five

I know that people, for some reason like to downvote, when I post screenshots of others supporting me in public. Yet I will still post them here for reference.

But this is a straight support to include Duel (Lotto?) into the CW template pool, expressed in the WZ official Discord by none other than the leader of Clan League himself:

he's saying Kabix 2v2 is so bad lotto is better

he's saying Kabix 2v2 is so bad lotto is better

But everyone knows that Kabix is good, or at least is indeed popular in the community. Being compared to Kabix is a praise.

Good new, everyone!

In today AMA, Fizzer has established a clear road map for Duel Lotto to be included in the Clan Wars!



TLDR: He said, that while he personally feels that Duel Lotto might miss a few little moments to be included in the Clan Wars template pool. If it gets voted in a template pool by players, then it will stay. (he has referenced the QM templates pool)

Yay!

Hmm, I think he said that its fine for QM where people can disable the templates, but has no place in a strategic competition like CW.

Lets see what other people made of it....

Hmm, I think he said that its fine for QM where people can disable the templates

Honestly, I dont remember this part.

Anyway, I guess, it means that in QM you can select, what template you want to play. In Clan Wars you can "disable" the template by not signing up to it. Like I have the 2v2 disabled ;)

This question was answered during the most recent AMA - https://www.warzone.com/Forum/764596-fizzer-ama-monday. Duel lotto will never be on Clan Wars and will still be allowed on Quickmatch.

Duel lotto will never be on Clan Wars

This is either an incorrect statement, or a lie. That is not what he said on AMA.
DanWL, you blatantly transformed Fizzer's words to fit your own subjective agenda.

I asked in the most neutral way possible.

I asked in the most neutral way possible.

Yea, Thanks for bringing that up to Fizzer. (no trolling here, just thanks for asking the asking the question)