Thx JSA.

Yes many boots this season, in my 3v3 team De Gaules was booted 2 times at picks. But boot is part of game. Every clan have to learn about it and put this critere for the selection of the line up.

Look like GG can't finish in the top 2 now. For us will be hard to take the 1st place but we will fight to the end for it ! Go Frenchy, Go ! :)

Boots happen mainly because games are very slow. I wished clan league games would be faster. Much more enjoyable imo.

yes i completely agree, 1 days 10 h boots time would be the best imo.

i wish we could arrange 3v3 EU games in real-time,after the picking phase

That is really hard to achieve as participants can and usually are from different time zones.

But i must agree, that this season was quite weird. I got booted twice and that is not something i am used to :(

3v3 in rt seems utopian.

I think reducing the time of autoboot is not a solution, but some players slow the game as a strategy to make you out of it, and for the conclusions I agree with MoD. It seems to be the case of many Apex players. I really don't like this, but I completely understand and accept that. It's smart by the way even if I think it harmed the beauty of the game.

Unfortunately, boots is a part of the game, and Clans have to think about that when they take their line-up. FC used to have many problem with that, and now we take boots very seriously (even if I stupidly had the idea to optimise my orders against Apex in 3v3 without checking it was after 2days-23h...^^).

I hope Lynx will stay in A, I think they deserve it even if all of their booted game would not have been victories. They could finish easily 4th, maybe better.

For AHoL, they would probably get releguated anyway.

Hope next season will be very good !

Now let's finish this one.

I also had a period this season where i got booted in both of my tournaments ( 5 times total i think it was) and also in my other 7 games there were 2 boots so basically half of my games had something to do with boots.
The only thing i really have to add to that is that i was only playing 1v1's where it's even less likely to see boots in the end.

It would be great to actually stay in group A for next season but if you look right now at all of the rosters you could say that Blitz is without a doubt the weakest roster in general for what can be put up next season compared to the 5 that are ensured to be in and Lynx and WG as well.

I'm not agree to change the boot time. 1 days 10 h boots time is not enough to speak about the strategy, to change order if neccesary.

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I don't think lowering the autoboot is a great idea eighter. But it's super annoying when players feel like taking 3 days every turn just because they can. It might be tactic, but in fact you don't get an advantage if the opponent is focused too.

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I don't think there's any scenario in which decreasing the boot time decreases boots.

I don't know how likely it is that many people are intentionally stalling. At least in team games, it just takes that long to coordinate with people who don't check the game several times per day.

Even on a fairly simple turn, a typical 3v3 exchange might go:

Player 1: I think we should do this.
Player 2: But wouldn't this be better?
Player 1: Maybe... What do you think, 3?
Player 3: I like 1's idea.
Player 2: Alright, I'm okay with that, let's confirm.
Player 2 confirms.
Player 1 confirms.
Player 3 confirms.

If even one of those players only checks once a day, the turn can easily take 3 days. On a more difficult turn, it can take 3 days even if the least active player checks more than once a day.

Completely agree with Jaymer. I don't think anyone is intentionally stalling. 3v3s are hard and require communication.

For ex, our ladder 3v3 team has people on different time zones. It takes us 3 days to decide what we want to do even though all three of us are fairly active. If we are all online at the same time, then we actually move quickly.

As for gaining an advantage by slowing the game down, I don't think that's the intent here. Apex has been quite sporting this season(gave lynx replacement games), so that seems a bit uncalled for.

Allow 3v3's to be played by one played controlling 3 account will solve this problem.

Better AI or Fizzer allowing a teammate to take over would help

Wohoo's suggestion is interesting. We could allow a player to play all 3 of a 3v3 or both in the 2v2 and have it count for 3 (or 2) of their 4 slots.

Please do not get rid of one of the most engaging forms of play in Warlight. Playing 3v3 is so much more fun with team mates than with alts.

Yes alts seem stupid in 3v3 that is not Clan League that is one person league.


@JSA I've been booted 6 times for apex and Frank has at least 2-3 so I don't know what you mean no boots

Yes... and transform teamgames from Clan League to a managing skill solo mode. I'm not against the idea one player plays all the account of a 3v3, but I think it's not the idea of a Clan War no ? And I thought it was to favor team game a 2v2 get 4 points and a 3v3 5 points.

@MotD: Of course 3v3 need more times. Obviously I talk about slowing game in 1v1. And I have nothing to reproach to anyone about that. I just don't like, I don't do that myself, but I think it's the game. Furthermore, slow game and replacement match are to different problems...

By the way, replacement matchs are also a question of possible imbalance. And it is a so important point when it's so close in the end like here.
Ex here:
AHoL gave a remake to GG
French gave a remake to Apex
Apex gave a remake to Lynx
Lynx refused a remake to French
French refused a remake to GG

I do not doubt Lynx accepted a remake at start before there was not so many boots in their side. I don't think French ask for it if there was not already some ask for it from the others. I do not doubt French accepted a remake to GG if someone already refused one to them.

I see many problems here.

Please, we need to clearly ban any kind of remake. It could be sporting but it so unfair. Boots are unfair too, but it is unfair for teams with players that cannot play in time.

Yes, remake inconsistencies are an issue. WG has had boots over the years and no remakes (apex tried but marc got booted a 2nd time in picks). This league there are many requests for boots past pick stage (we discussed as a panel and all agreed to do them during pick stage). I hate that boots cost you a shot at a title, but it is also part of the game. We allowed for replacements of retired people, but you can't account for everything consistently.

What if the team that does not get booted was winning? What if someone gets booted on purpose while losing (hard to prove)? It is a messy messy question.

Injuries (as similar as I can think of to boots here) happen all the time in sports. Those teams don't get to redo the games later. Sure, that means a team gets an advantage, but all you can do is play the opponent in front of you. Can't worry about if they are full strength or not.

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